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atl pilot said:
FYI. I do not have to give out my initials on the frequency.

If you have a problem, make a note of the frequency and the date/time. When you get on the ground, call the facility (FSS can give you the phone numbers, or if you're at the airport associated with the facility, the ramp tower usually has the number). Then call on the telephone and ask for a supervisor. Remember a calm and professional telephone call will go a lot farther than an upset caller. Give the freq and time to the supe - this will allow them to listen (later) to the tape and do what we call a QAR (Quality Assurance Review). They know who the controller is b/c we all must sign onto a position while we are responsible for it. Asking for initials will do nothing but (unfortnately, human nature) cause you more grief with this person. Be polite and professional on the freq, just b/c the controller may be inappropriate, does not give you license to do the same. Remember these tapes can also work against or for your cause when listened to.
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Or one could just grow a set, take a midol, and get on with it.
 
the original post was perfect for flaming........we can do better than this........
 
GuinessGuy said:
the original post was perfect for flaming........we can do better than this........
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We can? Well, I see you're not new to flightinfo, so maybe you have amnesia or sumpin.
 
This would make a good "Tell me abou the time when ...." type question during interviews! I can remember one of my girlfrieds back in middle school got all hissy about something like this. Just make sure your high school buddys would back you up though.
 
SpauldingSmails said:
There was a Gulfstream with an American crew that bagged it into a mountainside some years ago because the controller spoke very poor English. Does anyone remember where that was? I remember a video from training about that.
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I think you are referring to the Conoco G-II that crashed in the mountains near Kota Kinabalu back in September 1991. An old boss of mine was on board that plane.
 
These are the BEST controllers on the planet. No BICHING, and NO PRIVATIZATION. It'd be the worst days we've ever had. Think about it. They have the bad days as we do. End of story!

And Yes this IS a gay thread!
 
BigMeat said:
Hey guys they cut us breaks all the time. We should do the same. Hopefully it will someday become taboo to rat each other out....
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Until a few months ago, every time I got a number it was the controllers fault and I let it go. Recently, I screwed up,and even though I put no one in danger, I still got slammed by the controller and the FAA. So I am sorry, but they if screw up now I call the facility.
 
higherflyer said:
I think you are referring to the Conoco G-II that crashed in the mountains near Kota Kinabalu back in September 1991. An old boss of mine was on board that plane.
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Is that the one in which the Captain said something to the effect of "I don't like this, let's get out of here"? They initiated a climb and then impacted the terrain. If that was it or not, it was sad listening to the actual CVR. The accident I'm thinking of was one in which they were just shy of out-climbing the terrain.
 
WabiSabi said:
Is that the one in which the Captain said something to the effect of "I don't like this, let's get out of here"? They initiated a climb and then impacted the terrain. If that was it or not, it was sad listening to the actual CVR. The accident I'm thinking of was one in which they were just shy of out-climbing the terrain.
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AA flight 965... Just shy of out-climbing the terrain because the boards were still out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_965
 
slaquer5 said:
Brother, I hope you are kidding. We have by far the best controllers. If you got attitude, why not try to be extra nice to the controller,everyone is entitled to have a bad day. next time take a deep breath. :)
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Yeah, you are not going to be with him/her for very long anyway. Everyone can have a bad day.
 
Everyone has their bad days, controllers and pilots. However, keep in mind that we work together and help each other out. Need to remember...pilot deviations happen a LOT MORE OFTEN than a controller actually breaks a reg (controller might be rude or tick off a pilot, but he isn't necessarily going against the .65). All day everyday pilots will miss crossing restrictions, blow a turn, bust out of a holding pattern, etc. Controllers RARELY report this to try and get the pilot violated.
 
We dont have enough certified controllers in NY as it is! Backup controllers would be a luxury!!!

Also, if I don't like the attitude of a particular pilot, can I ask to that the other pilot in the cockpit (or maybe the chief pilot) take over?



LearLove said:
If you happen to check on a freq and the controller gives you attitude (for whatever reason), can you state that you refuse to "speak with him/her and would like to have a back-up controller"?? or superviser work you until your off the freq/out of their airspace?
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OK....sounds like more than one has their panties stretched too tight......geezzz
 
Just tell him/her that if they speak to you like that again, you are going to go through your wires, and into their wires and tie their lips together.

Worked for me.
 
This thread hasn't been killed yet?

YES. You can refuse to talk to a controller.


Just squawk 7600.
 
AV80R said:
That's funny, why didn't we all think of that?

or how about...

Tower, say what? Oh no, you didn't just say that - girlfriend - you talk to the hand... :laugh:
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Or the ever ubiquitous ...

"OH NO YOU DI-IN!!" (as you wag your finger and a$$ in opposite directions and your best NewYork-a-rican accent).
 
How about this one from thuggy NYC girls...

after hearing something unbelieveable:

"....say WORD?"

translation:
(you've got to be kidding me)
(are you serious)
 

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