can you refuse to "speak" with a controller???

[LearLove]

If you happen to check on a freq and the controller gives you attitude (for whatever reason), can you state that you refuse to "speak with him/her and would like to have a back-up controller"?? or superviser work you until your off the freq/out of their airspace?

 

[regionaltard]

If you happen to check on a freq and the controller gives you attitude (for whatever reason), can you state that you refuse to "speak with him/her and would like to have a back-up controller"?? or superviser work you until your off the freq/out of their airspace?

No, but this might make you feel better.

Can you give an example of what a controller might say that would get your panties in a wad?

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Drama Queen

 

[BoilerUP]

Ask for their operating initials and tell them to mark the tape. With the "kinder, gentler FAA" breathing down ATCers necks these days that may get them to straighten up if they're really being rude.

That said, everybody has a bad day....don't go burning somebody just because they hurt your feelings...

 

[bigboeings]

What are we 2 yrs old!!

 

[poppi]

I hope this is a joke.

 

[Jmoney]

Dumbest Thread Ever!!!!!!

"I'm not speaking to you today-you awful man!"

I have cramps and don't care who the hell I run into!

 

[atl pilot]

FYI. I do not have to give out my initials on the frequency.

If you have a problem, make a note of the frequency and the date/time. When you get on the ground, call the facility (FSS can give you the phone numbers, or if you're at the airport associated with the facility, the ramp tower usually has the number). Then call on the telephone and ask for a supervisor. Remember a calm and professional telephone call will go a lot farther than an upset caller. Give the freq and time to the supe - this will allow them to listen (later) to the tape and do what we call a QAR (Quality Assurance Review). They know who the controller is b/c we all must sign onto a position while we are responsible for it. Asking for initials will do nothing but (unfortnately, human nature) cause you more grief with this person. Be polite and professional on the freq, just b/c the controller may be inappropriate, does not give you license to do the same. Remember these tapes can also work against or for your cause when listened to.

 

[slaquer5]

If you happen to check on a freq and the controller gives you attitude (for whatever reason), can you state that you refuse to "speak with him/her and would like to have a back-up controller"?? or superviser work you until your off the freq/out of their airspace?

Brother, I hope you are kidding. We have by far the best controllers. If you got attitude, why not try to be extra nice to the controller,everyone is entitled to have a bad day. next time take a deep breath.

 

[G4G5]

Simply ask for a time check.

 

[Microclimates]

well if you really want to tick him.her off you can ask for 'words twice' which, I gather, requires the to repeat every word twice (from the bad ol'days when radios were scratchy)

 

[temcgrew]

If you don't want to talk, remember there are two of you in the cockpit.......unless you two aren't talking.

 

[LearLove]

Brother, I hope you are kidding. We have by far the best controllers. If you got attitude, why not try to be extra nice to the controller,everyone is entitled to have a bad day. next time take a deep breath.

geez, never stated it was something I'd do or was thinking of doing - just asking/throwing it out there.

After 11 years paying the bills in this bizz its not like i havn't faced a grumpy controller or other employee by this stage.

what brought up the question was earlier in the day I was doing the pilot talk thing with a old friend from my first airline about how one of our pilots was banned from a govt facility for argueing/attitude twards a tower controller at a nasa controlled airfield. after the company protested to the faa (our poi) it was sorta resolved that because the NASA "owned" field recieved govt funds to opoerate it was public so they couldn't "ban" him however the controlers being pvt nasa employees had the right to refuse service.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Damn.... All the good stuff's been said!

...I say find his/her mom and eff her. Best way to get back at someone. Now where on TV did I see this??

 

[Lampshade]

If you happen to check on a freq and the controller gives you attitude (for whatever reason), can you state that you refuse to "speak with him/her and would like to have a back-up controller"?? or superviser work you until your off the freq/out of their airspace?

Did he call you Cactus by accident? lol

 

[Networ-King]

Had a controller in Midway screw up big time and if it wasn't for the two of us taking action quickly, we would have embedded ourselves in a NWA A320 on takeoff. After take off and doing the checklist, we ask the tower controller for his first name and a phone number we could get a hold of him and his supervisor. Two hours later we get on the ground and I call the supervisor and before anything was said, he told me he had taken that controller off work status and scheduled him for retraining already. Made a report about it and moved on. No screaming, yelling, attitude or anything. Kept it professional and it all worked out. Everybody has a bad day..... so take that midol, act professional and move on....

Net

I am pretty sure that a couple of pax on that 320 must have left a nice stain on their seats.

 

[LearLove]

ok fine it was a gay question - now flame on

move along - there is nothing to see here

 

[BigMeat]

Hey guys they cut us breaks all the time. We should do the same. Hopefully it will someday become taboo to rat each other out....

 

[Prog 2/2]

Did he call you Cactus by accident? lol

Beauty.

Thanks for the laugh.:laugh:

 

[AV80R]

Brother, I hope you are kidding. We have by far the best controllers...

Agree, I think Kuala Lumpur must have the worst controllers out there. Often it sounds like they get offended if you ask them to "say again" something so when they repeat it they'll say it twice as fast... ..and while you are asking them to repeat something they'll switch your landing runway back and forth too - beautiful place, very sucky controllers...

 

[Lear70]

Agree, I think Kuala Lumpur must have the worst controllers out there. Often it sounds like they get offended if you ask them to "say again" something so when they repeat it they'll say it twice as fast... ..and while you are asking them to repeat something they'll switch your landing runway back and forth too - beautiful place, very sucky controllers...

You think a certain 747 accident a while back would have curbed their attitude a little...

I've always found that, when a controller gets especially aggressive (northeast more than anywhere else), simply asking for their initials will often get them to do a self-correcting-attitude-check (never had them refuse, either).

I've only had to call an ATC facility about a controller ONCE, and it was in Martha's Vineyard about 7 years ago after 3 go-arounds in a Lear due to controller ineptitude (kept putting people in front of us too close-in to the runway). Finally had to declare min fuel and, even then, they tried to put someone in front of us for takeoff as we were on a 1 mile final. Told them myself to hold short, do not take the runway and, luckily for us, they listened.

The controller was sent for retraining, supervisor was in the tower 5 minutes after we landed (New York Approach was monitoring and called the tower manager before we were on the ground).

Most of the time, the controllers are cool, they are just saturated and then get frustrated. Happens to all of us.

 

[jke406]

...I say find his/her mom and eff her. Best way to get back at someone. Now where on TV did I see this??

exactly...

or,

"oh yeah? well I had sex with your wife!"

-george costanza

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Tell him you were on a landline, or that you had a shift change.

Or tell him to standby and then not call him for five minutes or better yet, forget him.

Or just check in 5-10 times.

Or you could be like JB bubbas and just not answer.

 

[Goren]

Oh...grow up Lear Lover.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

There was a Gulfstream with an American crew that bagged it into a mountainside some years ago because the controller spoke very poor English. Does anyone remember where that was? I remember a video from training about that.

 

[say again]

I think you need to clean the sand out of your vagina!!!:laugh:

Let him have an attitude. Why does that really bother people so much?? Let him be the one to have a heart attack at an early age. Its not like you have to deal with the guy for a long period of time. Sit back and relax, let the poor man/woman vent and sound like an idiot.:beer:

 

[jke406]

I think you need to clean the sand out of your vagina!!!:laugh:

Let him have an attitude. Why does that really bother people so much?? Let him be the one to have a heart attack at an early age. Its not like you have to deal with the guy for a long period of time. Sit back and relax, let the poor man/woman vent and sound like an idiot.:beer:

I'd say the same thing if I was stickin' it to an ass like that!

 

[sqwkvfr]

"oh yeah? well I had sex with your wife!"

<clearing throat> "His wife's in a coma."

 

[NAAPilot]

If you happen to check on a freq and the controller gives you attitude (for whatever reason), can you state that you refuse to "speak with him/her and would like to have a back-up controller"?? or superviser work you until your off the freq/out of their airspace?

Only if he steals your lunch money.

 

[Whataburger]

As my last Capt said, "You can do anything you want, once."