can you refuse to "speak" with a controller???

[Lear70]

Agree, I think Kuala Lumpur must have the worst controllers out there. Often it sounds like they get offended if you ask them to "say again" something so when they repeat it they'll say it twice as fast... ..and while you are asking them to repeat something they'll switch your landing runway back and forth too - beautiful place, very sucky controllers...

You think a certain 747 accident a while back would have curbed their attitude a little...

I've always found that, when a controller gets especially aggressive (northeast more than anywhere else), simply asking for their initials will often get them to do a self-correcting-attitude-check (never had them refuse, either).

I've only had to call an ATC facility about a controller ONCE, and it was in Martha's Vineyard about 7 years ago after 3 go-arounds in a Lear due to controller ineptitude (kept putting people in front of us too close-in to the runway). Finally had to declare min fuel and, even then, they tried to put someone in front of us for takeoff as we were on a 1 mile final. Told them myself to hold short, do not take the runway and, luckily for us, they listened.

The controller was sent for retraining, supervisor was in the tower 5 minutes after we landed (New York Approach was monitoring and called the tower manager before we were on the ground).

Most of the time, the controllers are cool, they are just saturated and then get frustrated. Happens to all of us.

 

[jke406]

...I say find his/her mom and eff her. Best way to get back at someone. Now where on TV did I see this??

exactly...

or,

"oh yeah? well I had sex with your wife!"

-george costanza

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Tell him you were on a landline, or that you had a shift change.

Or tell him to standby and then not call him for five minutes or better yet, forget him.

Or just check in 5-10 times.

Or you could be like JB bubbas and just not answer.

 

[Goren]

Oh...grow up Lear Lover.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

There was a Gulfstream with an American crew that bagged it into a mountainside some years ago because the controller spoke very poor English. Does anyone remember where that was? I remember a video from training about that.

 

[say again]

I think you need to clean the sand out of your vagina!!!:laugh:

Let him have an attitude. Why does that really bother people so much?? Let him be the one to have a heart attack at an early age. Its not like you have to deal with the guy for a long period of time. Sit back and relax, let the poor man/woman vent and sound like an idiot.:beer:

 

[jke406]

I think you need to clean the sand out of your vagina!!!:laugh:

Let him have an attitude. Why does that really bother people so much?? Let him be the one to have a heart attack at an early age. Its not like you have to deal with the guy for a long period of time. Sit back and relax, let the poor man/woman vent and sound like an idiot.:beer:

I'd say the same thing if I was stickin' it to an ass like that!

 

[sqwkvfr]

"oh yeah? well I had sex with your wife!"

<clearing throat> "His wife's in a coma."

 

[NAAPilot]

If you happen to check on a freq and the controller gives you attitude (for whatever reason), can you state that you refuse to "speak with him/her and would like to have a back-up controller"?? or superviser work you until your off the freq/out of their airspace?

Only if he steals your lunch money.

 

[Whataburger]

As my last Capt said, "You can do anything you want, once."

 

[IronCityBlue]

Did he call you Cactus by accident? lol

:laugh: OK that was a good one!

 

[IronCityBlue]

Hey guys they cut us breaks all the time. We should do the same. Hopefully it will someday become taboo to rat each other out....

Amen. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

 

[becket]

FYI. I do not have to give out my initials on the frequency.

If you have a problem, make a note of the frequency and the date/time. When you get on the ground, call the facility (FSS can give you the phone numbers, or if you're at the airport associated with the facility, the ramp tower usually has the number). Then call on the telephone and ask for a supervisor. Remember a calm and professional telephone call will go a lot farther than an upset caller. Give the freq and time to the supe - this will allow them to listen (later) to the tape and do what we call a QAR (Quality Assurance Review). They know who the controller is b/c we all must sign onto a position while we are responsible for it. Asking for initials will do nothing but (unfortnately, human nature) cause you more grief with this person. Be polite and professional on the freq, just b/c the controller may be inappropriate, does not give you license to do the same. Remember these tapes can also work against or for your cause when listened to.

Or one could just grow a set, take a midol, and get on with it.

 

[GuinessGuy]

the original post was perfect for flaming........we can do better than this........

 

[Bavarian Chef]

the original post was perfect for flaming........we can do better than this........

We can? Well, I see you're not new to flightinfo, so maybe you have amnesia or sumpin.

 

[dirkdigler]

This would make a good "Tell me abou the time when ...." type question during interviews! I can remember one of my girlfrieds back in middle school got all hissy about something like this. Just make sure your high school buddys would back you up though.

 

[higherflyer]

There was a Gulfstream with an American crew that bagged it into a mountainside some years ago because the controller spoke very poor English. Does anyone remember where that was? I remember a video from training about that.

I think you are referring to the Conoco G-II that crashed in the mountains near Kota Kinabalu back in September 1991. An old boss of mine was on board that plane.

 

[Cardinal]

Damn.... All the good stuff's been said!

...I say find his/her mom and eff her. Best way to get back at someone. Now where on TV did I see this??

I believe this is what you're looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TLA_f7S0cw. "I'm gonna kucf your mom."

 

[Jonny Sacko]

These are the BEST controllers on the planet. No BICHING, and NO PRIVATIZATION. It'd be the worst days we've ever had. Think about it. They have the bad days as we do. End of story!

And Yes this IS a gay thread!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

ok fine it was a gay question - now flame on

move along - there is nothing to see here

it was a happy question?