Organization Of Black Airline Pilots

[AV80R]

“Nice... you got a long post but no solutions..”.

Well, actually the beginning to all solutions is always the truth. What I said was that we must start by using actual words and not politically correct words – I feel that the truth is always better no matter how painful it might be.

I guess you missed that part of my “long post with no solutions.”

“… the reasons why European languages don't have direct translations is because the Europeans until the new meillenium could afford to keep thier countries limited in race...”

Here I must say, huh? Are you saying American English has no European roots? Or what are you saying? Also, explain what you mean by “limited in race?” I truly do not get this part of your reply.

“… So now its a name.... calories are actually kilocalories... but it is easier and more accpetable to us fat americans to read calories on a nutrition label than kilocalories... Who wants to eat a chocolate bar with 240 kilocalories...”

Well, actually the unit for heat (which energy creates) is a joule (J). Kilocalorie (kCal) or a Calorie (Cal) is an old term that’s still used in the food industry simply because it’s easier this way. After all, joule sounds very, uhm, foreign.

Not much different than the old term of millibar although the more proper term is probably pascal or a fraction of it, hektopascal (hPa).

Or what about using the term centigrade when describing temperature?
Sort of illogical use of words - “it’s 12 centigrades outside.”
Really? You sure it’s not 12 milligrades? Or is it 12 kilogrades? The proper term is 12ºC or 12 degrees Celsius - but it’s just easier to say centigrades, especially in the English language.

But I digress…

 

[Freight Dog]

WOW... I said that just a few years ago that a 15 yr old from yugo. would have a better chance of getting hired by an airline than a 15 yr old natural black male citizen... NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH LESS CAPABLE TO DREAM BUT IN TERMS OF GETTING HIRED!

Nevermind the past. Let's talk today. Let's talk tomorrow. You can dwell on the past all day, bang your head on the wall, and you won't change a thing about the past.

Again, if everything is so fair and equitable in this country, the WHY does the US government require discrimination training, harassment training etc...? Why the need for organizations for the advancement of "minorities", or women? So, do you think the anti-discriminatory policies set forth by the US GOV is bullsh*t?

Let's see... sue-happy people, government desperately ALWAYS trying to be politically-correct as opposed to just correct. Like I said before, you don't correct a past mistake by making another one.

True...
You can get anything in this country as long as you have the money or the ability to access money...education, homes,etc? Why the need for EEOC when it comes to purchasing homes or applying for loans, college admission etc...oh, that's right racism does not exist anymore...

Equal opportunity... yes. Absolutely. EQUAL! Notice it doesn't say BLACK RIGHTS FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. That's the step in the right direction. DELETE the reference to any particular race or sex.

Agreed...
that is why we should encourage forward thinking... integrate hiring panels with younger pilots of all ethnicities, NOT just the silvered hair old dogs with their old way of thinking.... introduce new people who are forward thinking...

Maybe if ALL americans were more forward thinking in the past...we would NOT need EEOC or mandated government policies/programs ensuring racial and gender equality.

You're right. This country might need things like EEOC because it is race and gender neutral. You won't see me have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is OBAP because it promotes BLACK pilots, WIA because it promotes WOMEN in aviation. UNCF because it promotes BLACK people. Notice the difference? Not race/gender neutral. That's the fundamental problem because you are not undoing the racism damage done in the past, but merely creating reverse racism which is still wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[bleagle]

So, if you have a problem with minorities/women promoting access to a PREDOMINANTLY white industry....then what is your solution to an industry which has onloy just recently began to serious consider other than white male employees/

If the situation was reversed and the pilots were 99% BLACK due to past segregation, would you be FOR a small organization promoting white interest in the field of aviation?


Just looking for a solution.... and I TOTALLY agree that the past is in the past and that two wrongs don't make it right....BUT how do you correct this MAJOR wrong into a right without promotion?

Maybe , like I said before, it will take our future generation to finally figure things out!

 

[Freight Dog]

So, if you have a problem with minorities/women promoting access to a PREDOMINANTLY white industry....then what is your solution to an industry which has onloy just recently began to serious consider other than white male employees/

So should we have White Basketball Players Association? After all, whites are a minority in the NBA, and WBPA should be dedicated to recruiting ONLY white people into the NBA, right? This doesn't make any sense. You hire based on qualifications and an overall picture. If you have a black pilot who grew up in South Central L.A., and he tells the story how despite all the peer pressures and the troubles living in South Central as a teenager he managed to accomplish his dream, AND HE IS QUALIFIED, he's gonna get the job because it shows character. It has nothing to do with black/white.

If the situation was reversed and the pilots were 99% BLACK due to past segregation, would you be FOR a small organization promoting white interest in the field of aviation?

No. It would merely show that there hasn't been much interest among whites to become pilots. Once again, you cannot correct a past mistake by making another one.

Just looking for a solution.... and I TOTALLY agree that the past is in the past and that two wrongs don't make it right....BUT how do you correct this MAJOR wrong into a right without promotion?

Maybe , like I said before, it will take our future generation to finally figure things out!

You create a race/gender neutral organization that helps everyone regardless of race, sex, national origin, etc. It doesn't have to be a future generation. It can be our generation that fixes this, but organizations like OBAP, UNCF, NAACP, WIA reek of reverse racism/sexism and ought to be abolished altogether.

 

[CitationLover]

Erik Piatkowski would be the WPBA president......

 

[EMB170Pilot]

delete

 

[spg2bmd]

Luckily there are only two races, black and white.

 

[spg2bmd]

Anyone here feel like they are better than another race?

 

[spg2bmd]

Anyone else think this is long overdue? (shhh. we shouldnt be saying this stuff!)

 

[Speedbird34]

So should we have White Basketball Players Association? After all, whites are a minority in the NBA, and WBPA should be dedicated to recruiting ONLY white people into the NBA, right? This doesn't make any sense. You hire based on qualifications and an overall picture. If you have a black pilot who grew up in South Central L.A., and he tells the story how despite all the peer pressures and the troubles living in South Central as a teenager he managed to accomplish his dream, AND HE IS QUALIFIED, he's gonna get the job because it shows character. It has nothing to do with black/white.


Freight Dog people like you scare me. I fly with your type and withen 10 minutes you reveal to me your inner self.
You represent to humanity the most dangerous type. He that refuses to recognize the lessons of history. The future does not exist without the past. It is more connected than you see.
What we do today is always based on what happenned yesterday.
You would be part of a mob murdering blacks and not even know you have cast the first stone.

Listen very carefully but I feel I will make no diffrence. Your mind is already made up. Again I know your type.
I smell you when I walk through the terminal and I thank God I live in America. Where people try to fix the wrongs of the past and not forget that history tends to repeat itself.
The circle of life goes round and round like a merry go round.
Watch the movie the great debaters produce by Oprah Winfrey and staring Denzel Washington.
Follow Hollywood my freind because of your type we are forced to constantly remind the world of history so that you do not become a leader unaware and murder us all without even realising you just cast a ballfire on a race.
For us OBAP is about survival. We need it not because I need a job. But because we have lost the minds of our people to the brutality and murderous acts of your white parents recently.
Lynch, Lynchfield and Mr. Lynch a slave master who was hired to bring sturborn slaves in line in the south. You know how he did it. He gathered all the slaves togather. All of us black people, our women, old slaves only alive becuase people did not need pet food back then and children. He took the biggest slave and tied his arms and legs to diffrent horses and flogged the horses till those horses ran and tore the man to shreds. He said keep the slave physically strong but take his mind.
Your fathers took the mind of our people. We have kids who do not believe they can fly. who do not believe they can become great people and it is really difficult to fix that. You can not inspire them as much as I can. They do not trust your intentions.
I do not know you but your veiws are such I would not leave my black baby with you. That is just the way it is right now.
OBAP works to change that distrust that exist and also to give hope to black kids. To help them believe in themselves and we use black people on the frontlines and we have a lot of good white people help us.
We teach our people do not fear the whiteman he does not want to kill you anymore. He does not need to enslave you under the old ways. He has already done it diffrently but it is an open cage. You can walk out of it.
We show them the way out of those cages white man. It is my spiritual duty to help people rise from slavery. For you it is the past white man and for us it is today!

Let OBAP do the good work it does. It is not jobs for blacks but a soul for us it gives back that your fathers took away.
Stop insulting black people. You will never understand our pain. Some will but not you.
Finally thank God we have good white people all over America and the world. We stand up for humanity and fairness. That is the business of OBAP using lessons from the past to build the future espercially for black kids. We will let you know when it is no longer needed in a festival my freind when we decide. Not you. We shall tell you I am an American and slavery is gone away with its baggage. Never forget it came with baggage which still stays with us.

 

[atafan]

It comes to this:

Some people believe that government is the solution for all our problems and some people believe that government is the problem. The government should only get involved when an entity attempts to exclude another entity, that's all.

I was attempting to balance the spa yesterday. Everytime I added a chemical the PH or acidity changed, the more I got involved the more the spa water was unbalanced. I don't know if my analogy makes any sense to you but it does to me.

It's wonderful to see young children of all races playing together. They don't realize race differences until some all knowing adult tells them that they are different.

If we want all races to play well with each other and be color blind then remove all reference to race from the government level. I don't normally see color until it is pushed in my face and makes me feel different.

 

[atafan]

Where people try to fix the wrongs of the past and not forget that history tends to repeat itself.

There is the problem. We can't fix problems of the past, we can't live in the past. You say we have to learn from the problems in the past.

Agreed!

The problem in the past was treating people differently because of the way they looked or where they were born. You don't solve the problem by treating people differently in the future, you solve the problem by treating everyone equally and removing all race barriers.

Disagree with me all you want but look around has the problem of race wars been solved. NO! Nothing will change as long as we as a society constantly try to force our own beliefs on someone else.

If you want to pass a law, pass a law making any policy race based illegal.

Insanity. Repeating the same process over and over again expecting different results.

 

[Speedbird34]

It comes to this:


It's wonderful to see young children of all races playing together. They don't realize race differences until some all knowing adult tells them that they are different.

If we want all races to play well with each other and be color blind then remove all reference to race from the government level. I don't normally see color until it is pushed in my face and makes me feel different.

That bueatiful picture of kids of all races playing togather exist in very few places. And were you see it most times it is a mirage. Mirrors my man. The huge sepration still exist driven by diffrences in upbringing and wealth. We have a long way to go and the nice picture we all want to believe in while helpful does not represent a complete work but a first coating.
My cousin is a school teacher in Atlanta and the difficult homes most of those black kids come from she feels theirs is a hopeless battle. The white kids have much self pride and confidence. A knowledge that they will get theirs and the black kid is right at the bottom in this area. They do not have good homes to motivate them and that is why we do it. I wear a uniform and go to a black, spanish school and talk to poor kids some white. I tell them I am just like you and I became a pilot so can you.
They tell me I just told them something unknown to them. They believe because I am black and they have never seen a black pilot before. I tell them how they can do it and I tell them we have people who would help them along the way. I tell them the white man will not stop you. I tell them you can even lead him and be a captain.
Believe me I know this from my work on the frontlines of recovering my race from the abuse and distruction of slavery and racism.
Jim Crow's South still lives amoung some dark souls in our bueatiful country and more so in many parts of the world. America has to continue to be a light house of hope to the world in race relations and that takes work from everyone including the government.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

I had hopes of one day becoming a professional basketball player in the NBA. Unfortunately, there are very few WASP NBA players, so I gave up on that dream. What a tragedy.

I also had hopes of becoming the mayor of New Orleans, but was told it was and always will be a "chocolate" city. Bummer.

 

[Speedbird34]

I had hopes of one day becoming a professional basketball player in the NBA. Unfortunately, there are very few WASP NBA players, so I gave up on that dream. What a tragedy.

I also had hopes of becoming the mayor of New Orleans, but was told it was and always will be a "chocolate" city. Bummer.

My point exactly Guppypuppy you could live two life times as a white man and never understand what it means to be black.

You do not have it in you. Hence we need laws to protect us from you.

I would trade the positions blacks have in basketball for 1% of what whites own in the world and America.
I am black and would never play for the NBA. I am not ready to make the sacrifice and I was not bred by your white grand dad to be strong for labor.

You produced the NBA player. You own the teams and profit from it.

Mayor of new orleans, I would rather be a white president of the USA. Mayor of a black ghetto I leave to the negro.

If you were mayor of new orleans you most likely would spend your spare time distroying black people. We are afraid of your type.
But a good white man I will vote for him but I need to see his track record of caring for my type. I can not let a wolf amoung my sheep. You will murder black people.

 

[jke406]

My point exactly Guppypuppy you could live two life times as a white man and never understand what it means to be black.

You do not have it in you. Hence we need laws to protect us from you.

I would trade the positions blacks have in basketball for 1% of what whites own in the world and America.
I am black and would never play for the NBA. I am not ready to make the sacrifice and I was not bred by your white grand dad to be strong for labor.

You produced the NBA player. You own the teams and profit from it.

Mayor of new orleans, I would rather be a white president of the USA. Mayor of a black ghetto I leave to the negro.

If you were mayor of new orleans you most likely would spend your spare time distroying black people. We are afraid of your type.
But a good white man I will vote for him but I need to see his track record of caring for my type. I can not let a wolf amoung my sheep. You will murder black people.

Wow.

That post brought FI to an all-time low. Even lower than Tanker Clown's sympathy tour as a cancer survivor.

Time to close this thread.

 

[Speedbird34]

There is the problem. We can't fix problems of the past, we can't live in the past. You say we have to learn from the problems in the past.

Agreed!

The problem in the past was treating people differently because of the way they looked or where they were born. You don't solve the problem by treating people differently in the future, you solve the problem by treating everyone equally and removing all race barriers.

Disagree with me all you want but look around has the problem of race wars been solved. NO! Nothing will change as long as we as a society constantly try to force our own beliefs on someone else.

If you want to pass a law, pass a law making any policy race based illegal.

Insanity. Repeating the same process over and over again expecting different results.

You have never being a victim of racism so you will never understand.
OBAP never lectures white folks or try to change them. We teach blacks to survive racism.

 

[bleagle]

So should we have White Basketball Players Association? After all, whites are a minority in the NBA, and WBPA should be dedicated to recruiting ONLY white people into the NBA, right? This doesn't make any sense. You hire based on qualifications and an overall picture. If you have a black pilot who grew up in South Central L.A., and he tells the story how despite all the peer pressures and the troubles living in South Central as a teenager he managed to accomplish his dream, AND HE IS QUALIFIED, he's gonna get the job because it shows character. It has nothing to do with black/white.

Wow! You think that just because a minority is qualified that he will get hired based "solely on his qualifications"....WOW! What if I told you that "qualified" minorities were NOT getting hired because they did not "fit the mold" ...i.e DAL. You talk about character and equal treatment of people... oops I guess Katrina shows just how equal we really are in this country... YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

No. It would merely show that there hasn't been much interest among whites to become pilots. Once again, you cannot correct a past mistake by making another one.

BUT you can correct the future by knowing the past and being honest with yourself.

You create a race/gender neutral organization that helps everyone regardless of race, sex, national origin, etc. It doesn't have to be a future generation. It can be our generation that fixes this, but organizations like OBAP, UNCF, NAACP, WIA reek of reverse racism/sexism and ought to be abolished altogether.

FD,

IF you were a black male in this country for more than a month.... you would definitely have a "come to Jesus" experience. To you these organizations "reek of reverse discrimination" but HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT ALL PEOPLE OF EQUAL QUALIFICATIONS GET TREATED FAIRLY?

Final thought...would you rather be a qualified black pilot or a qualfied white pilot at an CAL interview in TEXAS or a DAL interview in GEORGIA (southern states...i.e the good ole south) based on the history of this country?...with NO EEOC, NO OBAP, or any organization that attempts to block racial discrimination knowing about your interview?

If you were a soul in heaven and God told you that you could go to earth and gave you the choice...

Would you rather be a black man or white man in this country?

Should it be about color NO but it many instances it still is...

If I told you that you could be the richest man on the planet...BUT you would have to live as a black man , would you do it?

Think about it....

 

[jke406]

...so if God said you could be a tree, BUT you'd have to be a Maple tree, would you do it?

give me a break.

 

[bleagle]

Wow.

That post brought FI to an all-time low. Even lower than Tanker Clown's sympathy tour as a cancer survivor.

Time to close this thread.

It is nice to close a thread...how about close discrimination and your superiority complex while you're at it!

You have no idea... a thread to you is what people deal with every day in this society. But one day you and I will be gone and a younger generation will look at your comments as being archaic and extremely ignorant.