NPA Hat Survey

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Actually, ALL of us were TOLD, very specifically, by several HR personnel and just about everyone in the training department that upgrades for us would be about two years.

In their words (heard repeatedly): "You're going to come back in for one recurrent, then, the next time your'e here, it will be for upgrade".

No, it's not a promise, and I don't think the man said anything about having bet the bank on it (he actually very specifically said he was well aware of the vagueries of upgrade timing), so have a cup of decaf, man...

So he's been at five airlines, but isn't smart enough to know that things change EVERY day? Of the three things we are discussing, the ONLY thing that was a SURE thing is that the company expects you to wear your hat. End of story. Don't like the hat, petition to change the policy. Don't like the FO pay, help out our union. Upgrade? Buy the company an airplane on the condition that you get to fly in the left seat, otherwise, wait until seniority holds it. That's what we all have to do.

Making a "statement" about FO wages and not upgrading soon enough by not wearing the hat is just plain immature and stupid. It serves no purpose whatsoever. It just makes him look like an ass as he carries it around the terminal.

Jeez, we're actually going to go 7 pages about the stupid hat.

Yes, I wore mine. Yes, it was because it was company policy, even when I got off probation. I agreed to follow the rules, so I did. Period. I don't especially like it. I cut my hair pretty short and it still gets sweaty and messed up with the hat on.

It *DOES* make the whole uniform a lot snazzier... but only if you're wearing the blazer and not the dog sh*t brown leather jacket. What a stupid color...

Oh yeah,

GO FILL OUT THE WEB SURVEY FOR YOUR NEGOTIATING TEAM!!!

Agreed.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

GO FILL OUT THE WEB SURVEY FOR YOUR NEGOTIATING TEAM!!!

I second that!!!!!:beer:

 

[pipe]

Incidentally, the following make up part of our senority list:
- at least 6 pilots I know of who have flown the Vice President of the United States
- a Thunderbird Pilot
- countless military pilots who have thousands of hours of combat time

OOOOOOOHH. AHHHHHHHH.

That's amazing! (hint of sarcasm) It's also the makeup of every freaking airline in the US. If I need to do an outside loop on the way to Cleveland I hope I get the Thunderbird pilot.

As far as Vice Presidential pilots, ask them why the chumps in DC want military pilots who must retire by 55 years old when it's their fat a$$es in the back of the plane. Because it's safer - that's why.

Anyway, get over it. It's just another average pilot group. Nobody's is better or worse. You've got your Thunderbirds, your child molesters, and your Thunderbird child molesters at every airline.

PIPE

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We don't call them stewardeses anymore. Maybe in your Grandma's day thats what they were called. I'm glad you feel like a real pilot with your hat on dude. All the more power to you. I can look the part and be the utmost professional without it.

Who is we? When talking with the public they constantly calls FAs stewardesses and ask me what "routes" I fly.

You might be able to be professional, but the public has an expectation and a belief.......and its not the same as yours.....


same ol hat thread.....


all the non hatters claim they are professionals..... but none can define what it means to be a professional. They can't quantify it....

In addition, all those against the hat always argue the hat from their personal comfort. They never have a professional against it....probably because they can't quantify what air line pilot professionalism is....


On the May 2007 SWA timetable cover was a picture of two SWA pilots.....wearing hats....

 

[Bodeenf-15]

Actually, ALL of us were TOLD, very specifically, by several HR personnel and just about everyone in the training department that upgrades for us would be about two years.

In their words (heard repeatedly): "You're going to come back in for one recurrent, then, the next time your'e here, it will be for upgrade".

No, it's not a promise, and I don't think the man said anything about having bet the bank on it (he actually very specifically said he was well aware of the vagueries of upgrade timing), so have a cup of decaf, man...

Jeez, we're actually going to go 7 pages about the stupid hat.

Yes, I wore mine. Yes, it was because it was company policy, even when I got off probation. I agreed to follow the rules, so I did. Period. I don't especially like it. I cut my hair pretty short and it still gets sweaty and messed up with the hat on.

It *DOES* make the whole uniform a lot snazzier... but only if you're wearing the blazer and not the dog sh*t brown leather jacket. What a stupid color...

Oh yeah,

GO FILL OUT THE WEB SURVEY FOR YOUR NEGOTIATING TEAM!!!

It *DOES* make the whole uniform a lot snazzier... but only if you're wearing the blazer and not the dog sh*t brown leather jacket. What a stupid color...

 

[Bodeenf-15]

Hey Lucky, change your name to "Shaved Dogs Ass"

Hey Lear70, those sh>t brown leather jackets heve;

-been with Chenault in China
-been over the "hump" in Burma
-been on daily 1000 plane missions over Germany
-been over the beaches at Normandy
-been over Patton's 3rd Army
-been over Bastogne
-been on the Berlin airlift
-been in Glamorous Glennis
-been north of the Yalu river
-been north of the Tigress river
-BEEN APART OF AIR TRAN

and it beats the sh>t out of looking like some south Jersey wise guy or some half assed Greek shrimp boat captain. Wear the stripes if you like just make sure it is tailored and fit.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Well, we now know one thing. Hat or not, you could never be considered a professional of any kind. Ass.

One other thing. Your screen name says it all. You would certainly never get past an interview board if you had to.

You guys are wimps...how bout getting a ********************ing contract instead of taking opinion polls on hats...stupid. If you don't like your hat...don't wear it...unless coach is around, ah screw it take it off anyway for that scab

 

[Lear70]

Hey Lucky, change your name to "Shaved Dogs Ass"

Hey Lear70, those sh>t brown leather jackets heve;

-been with Chenault in China
-been over the "hump" in Burma
-been on daily 1000 plane missions over Germany
-been over the beaches at Normandy
-been over Patton's 3rd Army
-been over Bastogne
-been on the Berlin airlift
-been in Glamorous Glennis
-been north of the Yalu river
-been north of the Tigress river
-BEEN APART OF AIR TRAN

and it beats the sh>t out of looking like some south Jersey wise guy or some half assed Greek shrimp boat captain. Wear the stripes if you like just make sure it is tailored and fit.

Wow... someone must need a pep talk for their military withdrawal syndrome...

I'm grateful for the service of our men and women who have served, especially on overseas tours, but here's a news flash:

It has ABSOLUTELY ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with the airline world. Two completely different animals.

The FACT is that the blazer with a hat simply looks more professional for an airline pilot. Period. Always has... always will.

Not to mention that the blazer with a FULL-LENGTH trench coat is a hell of a lot warmer than the bomber jacket anyway when you actually have to go somewhere cold with dress slacks on (nice to have something covering down to my shins).

I don't care if the leather jacket stays or not. I really couldn't give a rat's; I don't have to wear it if I don't want and it's funny when people approach the F/O wearing the blazer instead of the leather jacket wearing Captain and assume the F/O is in command because he's dressed accordingly (seen it happen twice - it gets funnier every time).

However, I AM concerned over Scope, Compensation, Retirement, and Insurance. But flip out over the jacket if it's that important to you... to each his own.

 

[clippyrip]

What was this thread about anyway?

 

[Britpilot]

It has ABSOLUTELY ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with the airline world. Two completely different animals.

Strange, I have an old photo from the thirties of two airline pilots in the cockpit wearing.........leather jackets.(and hats!!)
The brown leather jacket is synonymous with flying, it is a tradition. Love it or loathe it, your choice.
I don't think Dodeenf has "military withdrawal", (a little condescending on your part) he was just answering your original question regarding the "dog sh!t brown" color.
I happen to like mine for it's practicality and I receive many compliments on it from passengers. I also happen to think our navy blue blazer with sparkly gold stripes looks theatrical, but that's just me.
Have a nice day.