USA Today: Concerns arise over regional airlines

[Papps]

As Judge Judy would say, "Um is not an answer!"

Maybe your airline hasn't killed any "one" but it's killed more than one career.

After a few years of working for mesa, you're probably dead inside anyway.

 

[brokedash]

Pretty good article, with lower than normal factual errors.

Odd that they didn't mention the Comair flight that took off the wrong runway in Lexington. Had the reporter researched that he would have found the NTSB ultimately pinned that accident on the pilot's non-safety-related conversation...90% of which occurred before the flight began.[/Qoute]


Thus why JO was able to get away with saying there were no fatalities.

 

[CFIse]

Nice article but the public really doesn't care, they just want cheap tickets. It will take one (or more) major fiery crashes where the NTSB attributes the cause to fatigue and/or inexperience before anything changes.

The NTSB has been pissing and moaning about fatigue for years, since about 1990 in fact when they added it to the "most wanted improvements" list. The NTSB ain't going to get this done.

The airlines whine that without the flexibility to work the living daylights out of their crews they can't operate profitably and so that's that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Capt. Sasse got totally and completely smeared by the media and the USA Today following that accident. They made a mistake that was directly attributed to fatigue but all the media could talk about was them breaking sterile cockpit.

Something for us all to think about when that little birdie on our shoulder is telling us "Maybe we should just go to the hotel..."

That's because the media doesn't report news, they create news. They spin stories to dovetail with the issue they want to present. So instead of reporting on pilot fatigue (boring) they report on the immaturity and unprofessionalism of those darn kid puddle jumper pilots.

 

[tittyjet]

Let's hope they don't find flightinfo.....

That's because the media doesn't report news, they create news. They spin stories to dovetail with the issue they want to present. So instead of reporting on pilot fatigue (boring) they report on the immaturity and unprofessionalism of those darn kid puddle jumper pilots.

......if you're right, they'd have a fukking field day with this site.

 

[Vspeeds]

The real problem that should be addressed is the the airlines hiring 200-500tt hour pilots to fly airliners at the regionals. I would rather have an experienced tired pilot than an inexperienced low time fully awake pilot at the controls. JMHO

Ain't that the TRUTH!

 

[B727FA]

Pilots aren't robots. Regionals suck. Leave now.

It's not a "regional" thing...AA in LIT ought to have proved that.

 

[B727FA]

The real problem that should be addressed is the the airlines hiring 200-500tt hour pilots to fly airliners at the regionals. I would rather have an experienced tired pilot than an inexperienced low time fully awake pilot at the controls. JMHO

Low time drivers were hired in droves in the mid-60's, too.

 

[WickedPissa]

I loved the part about the Pinnacle flight being at an "unauthorizd" altitude. I used to work for Pinnacle, and there was nothing in the FOM at the time prohibiting flights at that altitude. Furthermore, they received a clearance from ATC to climb there.

Nothing unauthorized about it. Foolish, maybe, but certainly not unauthorized by any stretch.

You hit the nail on the head Mr. Inexperience. "they received a clearance from ATC...". So I guess if ATC says we are allowed to do something, I guess the aircraft must be capable. how f'ing dumb are you people?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

You hit the nail on the head Mr. Inexperience. "they received a clearance from ATC...". So I guess if ATC says we are allowed to do something, I guess the aircraft must be capable. how f'ing dumb are you people?

He didn't say the aircraft was capable, he said it was authorized. There is a difference.

(Disclaimer - - In no way am I suggesting that what happened with that accident was okay, or that they were being professional. I'm just agreeing that they were not "unauthorized" to be there.)

 

[Papps]

You hit the nail on the head Mr. Inexperience. "they received a clearance from ATC...". So I guess if ATC says we are allowed to do something, I guess the aircraft must be capable. how f'ing dumb are you people?

He said it was foolish but not unauthorized. What part about that statement was incorrect. After the accident, the CFM was changed so that it is unauthorized as well as foolish.

 

[av8er2]

There should be concerns! It is all headed in the wrong direction.

 

[tittyjet]

You hit the nail on the head Mr. Inexperience. "they received a clearance from ATC...". So I guess if ATC says we are allowed to do something, I guess the aircraft must be capable. how f'ing dumb are you people?

I've known Ernest for a long time; I have flown with him. I can assure you - he is ANYTHING but "inexperienced". You, however, are a rube who needs to work on reading comprehension.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I loved the part about the Pinnacle flight being at an "unauthorizd" altitude. I used to work for Pinnacle, and there was nothing in the FOM at the time prohibiting flights at that altitude. Furthermore, they received a clearance from ATC to climb there.

Nothing unauthorized about it. Foolish, maybe, but certainly not unauthorized by any stretch.

Would the performance, if the pilots chose to reference it, have allowed the altitude....?

In addition, what altitude were they paid to fly the jet? What reason did they have to deviate from the flight plan directed altitude?

Sounds pretty unauthorized to me...


Thread hi-jack?

 

[flynryan15]

"It's safer to fly an airplane than it is to take a shower," said Jonathan Ornstein, chairman and CEO of Mesa Air Group, which operates regional airlines. "No fatalities last year. That speaks for itself."

Oh my God. That's the stupidest sh** I've ever heard. How does this guy take a shower? Standing on his fu***g head I assume.

Hopefully in a rain shower with frequent lightening!!!