Leave Airtran for United??

[BigMeat]

Those you dont care about upgrade obviously want to work to 65. Think about this. If United mergers with anyone they will have overlap. Overlap means they are not going to keep that frequency in. This also means any old airframes will be weeded out of both carriers. Then you want to add in Uniteds great scope clause (not) and you can almost garuntee that you will see many of those EMB 175s or 190s (in the future) doing the roots of the old small narrowbody jets that they got rid of. Let somone else take the risk with buying new airframes like Chatauqua. Airtran is a growth airline that has slots in many every major hub. Think about that. If they get bought a few years down the road and you have seniority you may end up quite well in a shuffle if not you will still upgrade faster which means you dont have to work forever. I would rather be a captain on an okay day making good money than an FO having a great day making crap.

 

[gt1900]

"don't get baited into the "quick upgrade" argument at AAI. We're watching that dry up right before our eyes. I've been at AAI for 3 years, and quite honestly i'm not sure when i'll upgrade"

If youve been at AAI for three years then you should know almost exactly when your going to upgrade. The next class was awarded to guys who have been at AAI for 3 years. When class starts in March they will have been here for 3 years and 2 months. So, if you have been at AAI for 3 years, you should be able to hold one of the next few classes.

 

[c9skytrain]

You are jr. to me, think long and hard about it. If you were sr. to me, I would advise, follow your heart and go for it.

 

[another cfii]

I assume part of the reason the move to UAL is because he lives in one of UAL's bases. It's a bit risky move, but i can tell you as a commuter, nothing beats living in base. And i know that UAL is almost hiring into every single bases (except DEN being a bit more senior).

So if you can sit down with your significant other and discuss that if down the road, a merger does happen, you'll be happy to be a at home dad for a period of time because of furlough, and your family will be fine financially, i'd say go for it!!! In my opinion, quality of life trumps pay any time of the day. You simply just can't buy back your son's 3rd birthday, because you spent it on a commute. UAL has been my dream airline since i was small, but i guess not for now, maybe in the future.

 

[ualdriver]

........Then you want to add in Uniteds great scope clause (not) and you can almost garuntee that you will see many of those EMB 175s or 190s (in the future) doing the roots of the old small narrowbody jets that they got rid of.

UAL's scope does not allow a regional to fly either aircraft you quote.

You could hold just about any UA base in a relatively short period of time.

Tough decision. Good luck.

 

[bluejuice787]

UAL's scope does not allow a regional to fly either aircraft you quote.

You could hold just about any UA base in a relatively short period of time.

Tough decision. Good luck.

Hi UAL-

Do you know if UAL still has a sim evaluation during the interview?

Juice

 

[pilotyip]

I have heard they have done away with the sim interview, BTW as you see it will be five years before you know if you made the rihgt choice.

 

[ualdriver]

Hi UAL-

Do you know if UAL still has a sim evaluation during the interview?

Juice

no sim eval.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

While I understand this point i'd say not to do this. What if he gets hired and decides not to go. He has just very likely burned a bridge.

I speak from my own exp. 7 years ago I interviewed with Airtran and was hired. I decided to stay with my commuter to upgrade and get PIC for my then "career goal airline" of United. About 12 months after turning down the offer 911 hit and Airtran was the new AA/UAL/DAL. I've tried since then (less the last 12 months) to get an interview with Airtran with no luck.

I got the first interview/hired with 3000tt, 1500 pic and no types.

Since then with 8000 plus tt, 2500pic, 2 types and 3 CA's walking in my stuff I can't get a call.

Eventhough Jill isn't calling the pilot hr shots anymore my lack of luck is most likey due to turning them down years ago.

So in conclusion, don't interview just for the sake of it - you never know in this bizz when you really need that interview/job. There are other ways to research a job than going to an interview. Plus interview information usually leans twards the koolaide side of the house anyway.

Don't feel bad u ain't missing anything

 

[Yuppyguppy]

That's great. When do you expect an upgrade at UAL?

about the time you guys get all the management idiots out of your union and all the scabs out of the training department and that scab who is the asst. chief pilot and when you get a new contract (I see you are going on year 4 now without one.) Guess you are waiting for AMR, CAL, UAL to lead the industry back up. And before you spew about our wages at UAL remember my FO pay was more than your 12 year captain pay back then. Enjoy the asskicking you are going to get from DAL you rod.

 

[fletch717]

about the time you guys get all the management idiots out of your union and all the scabs out of the training department and that scab who is the asst. chief pilot and when you get a new contract (I see you are going on year 4 now without one.) Guess you are waiting for AMR, CAL, UAL to lead the industry back up. And before you spew about our wages at UAL remember my FO pay was more than your 12 year captain pay back then. Enjoy the asskicking you are going to get from DAL you rod.

Take that rod, because at united they don't have scabs.

 

[PanPan]

When I was an intern at YoNited I met one of the nicest guys. I was asking to ride the jumpseat on a DC-10 when the Captain introduced the rest of the crew. "This is FO Bob and thats the engineer, he's a scab, we don't talk to him." And you know what, they never did.

 

[tubelcane]

Yuppy,

Why all the negativity man? So you hated Airtran and left, GREAT. Have a great career at United. Not saying much if you are expecting Airtran to negotiate an industry leading contract. With all of ALPA's power and might I'm sure you guys will show us how it's done. They did so well protecting everyone's scope, and pensions, and pay, and jobs during the past several years. They did such a wizbang job, you had to stoop and come to friggin Airtran. There are alot of guys in your shoes. So quit feeling sorry for yourself and bashing the Tranny. Let me know when you guys are Sw + 1% and you can run your mouth a little more. Until then leave us the hell alone, and have fun in the right seat for the next decade, if you're not on the street again!

 

[Kharma Police]

about the time you guys get all the management idiots out of your union and all the scabs out of the training department and that scab who is the asst. chief pilot and when you get a new contract (I see you are going on year 4 now without one.) Guess you are waiting for AMR, CAL, UAL to lead the industry back up. And before you spew about our wages at UAL remember my FO pay was more than your 12 year captain pay back then. Enjoy the asskicking you are going to get from DAL you rod.

These are all items you knew when AirTran hired you after United put you on the street. I'm guessing in the back of your mind you are trying to reconcile if you made the right decision to go back to UAL or not. Like it or not, AirTran never failed to pay you twice a month did they? So, in order to justify your choice, you have to point out negative aspects about AirTran. Nice

 

[Superpilot92]

UAL's scope does not allow a regional to fly either aircraft you quote.

You could hold just about any UA base in a relatively short period of time.

Tough decision. Good luck.

170's = pretty much the same thing as the 175's right? Or am i mistaken?

 

[Benhuntn]

What odds do you give United surviving another 5 yrs?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

These are all items you knew when AirTran hired you after United put you on the street. I'm guessing in the back of your mind you are trying to reconcile if you made the right decision to go back to UAL or not. Like it or not, AirTran never failed to pay you twice a month did they? So, in order to justify your choice, you have to point out negative aspects about AirTran. Nice

absolutely NO REGRETS! I liked my regional better than your place...and as far as our scabs go...they know their place yours'....hell they run your training dept. and all you ever hear is the famous "back at eastern" line. Screw that ********************. I won't hurt ya'lls feelns anymore though by saying such negative stuff.

 

[On Your Six]

about the time you guys get all the management idiots out of your union and all the scabs out of the training department and that scab who is the asst. chief pilot and when you get a new contract (I see you are going on year 4 now without one.) Guess you are waiting for AMR, CAL, UAL to lead the industry back up. And before you spew about our wages at UAL remember my FO pay was more than your 12 year captain pay back then. Enjoy the asskicking you are going to get from DAL you rod.[/quote]

Perhaps you should reduce your caffeine intake. I thought the original poster was asking for opinions. It's perfectly legit to suggest that if upgrade time is important to you, Air Tran would be preferred option - right? A newbie at UAL may have to wait 12+ years to upgrade (if UAL still exists in 12 years). A UAL/CAL merger might adversely impact upward mobility - you never know. The point is that growth at UAL is super slow and it could be that way for a long, long time. You have to take that into consideration...

I could be wrong, but I don't think Rod works for Air Tran - I think he was just expressing his opinion.

 

[Kharma Police]

absolutely NO REGRETS! I liked my regional better than your place...and as far as our scabs go...they know their place yours'....hell they run your training dept. and all you ever hear is the famous "back at eastern" line. Screw that ********************. I won't hurt ya'lls feelns anymore though by saying such negative stuff.

Hopefully your husband doesn't work at United too.

 

[Britpilot]

about the time you guys get all the management idiots out of your union and all the scabs out of the training department and that scab who is the asst. chief pilot and when you get a new contract (I see you are going on year 4 now without one.) Guess you are waiting for AMR, CAL, UAL to lead the industry back up. And before you spew about our wages at UAL remember my FO pay was more than your 12 year captain pay back then. Enjoy the asskicking you are going to get from DAL you rod.

You and United are made for each other, ma'am.