Future Of Nwa?????

[737 Pylt]

As if any further evidence was needed to confirm that this idiot has lost his ever-loving mind!

BTW-West cost feed? Is that not called "Skywest?" And is that not cheaper than buying another major?

P.S.-Also a bit tough to wing that stuff when your stock is doing a great "brick from sky" impersonation!

Hey einstein, have you taken a look lately? Everyone's stock is in the dumper!

737

 

[michael707767]

There are actual pilots on the property, and then there are modifiers to that baseline for integration calculation puposes. If DAL pilots are flying for example an avg. of 70 hrs. a month, and NWA pilots are flying 90, there is 22% productivity difference between groups.

Not a factor. Keep in mind, any merger will generate negotiations for a new contract. Are you telling me the NWA pilots would want to keep their current work rules?

And by the way, the NWA cannot average flying 90 hours a month when the yearly limit is 1000. If you want to tell me the NWA pilots average 90 pay hours a month, thats a different story. But then you get down to only being a couple of hours above what the Delta pilots are in pay hours a month.

Oh, and what kind of modifier will we use to compensate for the fact that the NWA DC-9s would be parked the next day in a DL/NW merger?

 

[General Lee]

Not a factor. Keep in mind, any merger will generate negotiations for a new contract. Are you telling me the NWA pilots would want to keep their current work rules?

And by the way, the NWA cannot average flying 90 hours a month when the yearly limit is 1000. If you want to tell me the NWA pilots average 90 pay hours a month, thats a different story. But then you get down to only being a couple of hours above what the Delta pilots are in pay hours a month.

Oh, and what kind of modifier will we use to compensate for the fact that the NWA DC-9s would be parked the next day in a DL/NW merger?

Well, the NWA pilots would probably like to fence out their 744s from Delta pilots, I think we could fence out the DC9s--if they are parked, those people are thrown to Compass. Fences can work both ways. This is if it happens at all.

Bye Bye-General Lee

 

[ThisistheDream]

If the NWA DAL deal where to become a mutual MERGER and not a buy out, how could that effect the merging of the lists? Since both groups are ALPA would you mostly go by date of hire since it was a merger and not a buyout? the AWA USairways was a merger not a buyout from what i remember?

 

[General Lee]

If the NWA DAL deal where to become a mutual MERGER and not a buy out, how could that effect the merging of the lists? Since both groups are ALPA would you mostly go by date of hire since it was a merger and not a buyout? the AWA USairways was a merger not a buyout from what i remember?

As far as the pilots go, since ALPA is at both carriers, ALPA merger policy would probably be applied, with fences. For the rest of the employees though, there are no other unions at Delta, so Delta would probably be the acquirer to make sure the other employees aren't stapled to the bottom. Also, most articles I have read project Delta as the agressor, and that is where most people think DL could possibly be the one doing the buying...? Who knows? Lot's of speculation going on, but I would much rather stay independant and pick up the pieces of others that do fall. We did go through BK and did get rid of a lot of debt and baggage (along with our pensions unfortunately and high pay rates), but we and NWA are better positioned now thanks to that. United went through the process too, but did not get rid of as much debt, and USAir/AWA are just a mess operationally and the employees aren't a happy bunch. It will be interesting to see what happens this year for sure.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

Even the British are speculating. From the FT ...

Delta holds key to shape of US fleets

By Justin Baer in New York
Wednesday Jan 2 2008 15:50
This year could see consolidation in the US airlines industry, with the fate of Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL) likely to prove pivotal, executives, bankers and investors say.

Delta recently emerged from bankruptcy protection unencumbered by financial agreements that restrict some potential deals, and is not as big as, say, American Airlines parent AMR (NYSE:AMR) .

As a result, it features prominently in most consolidation scenarios concocted by industry insiders and shareholders alike.

The Atlanta-based carrier is working with its bankers at Merrill Lynch and Greenhill to review potential mergers. Delta's executives believe a merger would help the combined company save money and weather future downturns. But they are not convinced a deal is worth pursuing at all costs, given the challenges it would pose, from winning the approval of regulators and organised labour to combining complex operations, people familiar with their thinking said.

It may be months before the company decides whe*****ther to proceed, they added.

"There has been talk from one corner or another," said John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots' Association, whose 60,000 members include pilots at Delta, United and Northwest (NASDAQ:NWAC) .

"Is there going to be consolidation? I think we're going to see some attempts."

Richard Anderson, Delta chief executive, fuelled merger speculation in October, when he said the company recognised the benefits of consolidation and planned to participate. His comments appeared to contradict Delta's stance earlier in the year, when it fought off a hostile bid from rival US Airways.

"Delta has said previously that its board has formed a special committee to work with management to review and analyse strategic options to ensure Delta maintains its leadership position in the industry, including potential consolidation transactions," the airline said in a statement.

"During this period we will not comment on any rumours or speculation regarding mergers or acquisitions."

Some of Delta's peers may have a harder time persuading antitrust regulators to approve any merger. Others would be challenged by existing relationships and financial arrangements. For instance, Northwest has the right to block a deal involving rival Continental Airlines.

Delta's greater flexibility is not lost on the investors who built positions in the company last year.

Pardus Capital Management, a hedge fund with more than 2 per cent of Delta and a 4.8 per cent stake in United parent UAL has said a Delta-United merger represents the best possible combination of large US airlines.

Airlines are bracing for a difficult year. The International Air Transport Association predicted that industrywide profit will slump this year amid record fuel costs and an expected slump in demand for air travel.

 

[ThisistheDream]

General Lee
So with possible fences in place, would that protect the DAL guys to have seniority over bidding the 777, 767 and then protect the NWA guys bidding the 747, 787 and A330?? I havent been involved in a merger with fences and not sure how they would really work? As far as career potential, I see a pilot at DAL and NWA close with similar size a/c with DAL having more overall wide body vs. NWA as of today, but with what NWA has on order with the widebody, the widebody fleet would be very close in size.

 

[General Lee]

General Lee
So with possible fences in place, would that protect the DAL guys to have seniority over bidding the 777, 767 and then protect the NWA guys bidding the 747, 787 and A330?? I havent been involved in a merger with fences and not sure how they would really work? As far as career potential, I see a pilot at DAL and NWA close with similar size a/c with DAL having more overall wide body vs. NWA as of today, but with what NWA has on order with the widebody, the widebody fleet would be very close in size.

First of all, I have never been involved in something like this, but I have watched some of this over the years. I think there would be fences on certain planes--planes that the other airline doesn't have. The 744s are the biggest thing out there(in America--no A380s here), and technically Delta guys never would have flown them ever since we don't have them or any orders for them. That would probably necessitate a fence for a few years. We have 777s and should get more, and we might fence them off for a couple years, as NWA would try to fence the 787s off too. I could see very little movement BETWEEN the fleets for a few years, even though you might move up within your original airline's fleet. There could also be base fences, and maybe a fence of DC9 guys if they remove the DC9s from service within the first 5 years etc.

We do have a lot more widebodies than NWA (and add the 120 757s we have an overall larger fleet in terms of size). Their 747-200s are slowly on the way out, and rumors of their 744s going to the Cargo size and being replaced with 787s on the pax side persist. The big worry over there is what will happen to the DC9s? Will they get replaced with a mainline type plane, like the E190 or 717? Or will Compass E175s take over the DC9s one for one towards the Compass side?

We also have had rumors here of getting more used MD90s on the INTL market (companies in China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia are replacing them with new A320s) for CHEAP---and they are nicer than the MD88s and fairly economical (along with a total $9 million pricetag with engines included). They would have not replaced any MD88s, since they themselves were recently renegotiated for in BK for cheap--($80,000 a month lease down from $280,000). So, the MD90s could help expansion too if we want them, and we already have a sim and the mx expertise to fly them. A lot of that is on hold now so we can see what happens.

Overall, I think a DL acquistion of NWA might be a good thing for survival purposes, since we would really cover the WORLD for INTL connections, and we would have a solid domestic platform. I think a couple of the current bases would be made into "focus cities" (CVG and MEM thanks to their proximity to other larger hubs--DTW and ATL), but not dismantled due to local political opposition and allowing LCCs the opportunity to set up new hubs. Will any of this really happen? Only a few people know that for sure right now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

First of all, I have never been involved in something like this, but I have watched some of this over the years. I think there would be fences on certain planes--planes that the other airline doesn't have. The 744s are the biggest thing out there(in America--no A380s here), and technically Delta guys never would have flown them ever since we don't have them or any orders for them. That would probably necessitate a fence for a few years. We have 777s and should get more, and we might fence them off for a couple years, as NWA would try to fence the 787s off too. I could see very little movement BETWEEN the fleets for a few years, even though you might move up within your original airline's fleet. There could also be base fences, and maybe a fence of DC9 guys if they remove the DC9s from service within the first 5 years etc.

We do have a lot more widebodies than NWA (and add the 120 757s we have an overall larger fleet in terms of size). Their 747-200s are slowly on the way out, and rumors of their 744s going to the Cargo size and being replaced with 787s on the pax side persist. The big worry over there is what will happen to the DC9s? Will they get replaced with a mainline type plane, like the E190 or 717? Or will Compass E175s take over the DC9s one for one towards the Compass side?

We also have had rumors here of getting more used MD90s on the INTL market (companies in China, Japan, and Saudi Arabia are replacing them with new A320s) for CHEAP---and they are nicer than the MD88s and fairly economical (along with a total $9 million pricetag with engines included). They would have not replaced any MD88s, since they themselves were recently renegotiated for in BK for cheap--($80,000 a month lease down from $280,000). So, the MD90s could help expansion too if we want them, and we already have a sim and the mx expertise to fly them. A lot of that is on hold now so we can see what happens.

Overall, I think a DL acquistion of NWA might be a good thing for survival purposes, since we would really cover the WORLD for INTL connections, and we would have a solid domestic platform. I think a couple of the current bases would be made into "focus cities" (CVG and MEM thanks to their proximity to other larger hubs--DTW and ATL), but not dismantled due to local political opposition and allowing LCCs the opportunity to set up new hubs. Will any of this really happen? Only a few people know that for sure right now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

As far as I know the regional feed is limited to only 18 more aircraft orders per the contract. If more aircraft were to go to a regional feeder NWA would have to take on more aircraft. Anyone have any more info on that?

 

[NuGuy]

As far as I know the regional feed is limited to only 18 more aircraft orders per the contract. If more aircraft were to go to a regional feeder NWA would have to take on more aircraft. Anyone have any more info on that?

Heyas,

Basically correct.

The "narrowbody floor" gets set in 2 months, and after that they are committed (well, as much as management ever is).

They can't arbitrarily park the 9s without something to replace them.

Nu

 

[PCL_128]

For the rest of the employees though, there are no other unions at Delta, so Delta would probably be the acquirer to make sure the other employees aren't stapled to the bottom.

New legislation that's on the way to the President, and likely to be signed, would eliminate that problem anyway. The ALG/Mohawk LPPs are going to be made law, even for non-union employee groups. So that likely won't be an issue that affects which carrier is the acquirer.

 

[jetflier]

IMHO Compass Airlines could not be a replacement for all the NWA DC-9's because the DC-9 -50 is 124 pax and there is about 50 of them. The rest of the DC-9's are 100 pax, still 24 more pax than Compass ERJ's.

Unless Compass operates a larger bird and SCOPE permits a larger aircraft, the DC-9's will be around untill a mainline replacement happens.

That replacement could very well be the EMB 190.
Unfortunately, NWAALPA agreed to a pay scale for that aircraft during our contract negotiations. The pay scale for the EMB 190 is similar to the regional pay rates at other regional carriers.

If that happened, NWA would be jamming another pay cut down the throats of the NWA pilots.

 

[Fly4hire]

For the rest of the employees though, there are no other unions at Delta, so Delta would probably be the acquirer to make sure the other employees aren't stapled to the bottom. Also, most articles I have read project Delta as the aggressor, and that is where most people think DL could possibly be the one doing the buying...? Bye Bye--General Lee

That's pretty funny - this is being driven by the hedge funds and WS - do you think they even care if there is an airline left as long as they make big $$ on the transaction?

Also I would rethink some of the "urban myth" assumptions that DAL will be the aquirer and you will divide the spoils. NWA enjoys a substantial cost advantage over DAL - any deal will be to keep the unit costs for the combined unit lower, not raise it. Contracts will have to be reopened - do you think DAL will want to add 5600 pilots at a higher cost? I suggest you compare put and call options for DAL vs. NWA in early 08', and consider that shares can go up for the acquired and down for the aquirerer......Like water, the costs will favor a roll down hill.

As to parking the DC9's I would not be so sure - we have restructured the fleet just like you have, and most of the 9's remaining will be 110-124 seat 40's and 50's, make lots of revenue, and fly very full. A -88, -90, etc is still a (142 seat) DC9, same type, and needs nothing more than a day of differences to integrate the pilots into the fleet. The fact they are old is immaterial - they are paid for, profitable, flexible, and despite the veneer analysts mantra in the press, there is no excess capacity.

If you don't think there will be integration modifiers so that they are comparing apples to apples you are fooling yourselves. That would be like us saying it's DOH or nothing. Not going to happen.

Another factor is the feeds - how will they factor in? If you count DAL's feeds vs. NW's (and possible MEH), suddenly the DAL family mix vs. the NW family mix skews considerably.

Regardless, it follow the money, not what's good for you, me, the operation or the employees.

 

[Speedbird34]

Fly4hire there you go again saying the employees have no say in what happens to them. Hedge funds decide our future. DC9 and MD88 diffrences takes one day. One day diffrences. Have you ever flown an MD 88. It would take me 10 yrs to learn to fly that piece of scrap called a DC9. You know why I would hate sitting in the flightdeck. That is the reason I never want to work at NWA. That and also the attitude of the DC9 pilots, FA and gate agents who hate Pinnacle pilots and most other pilots. It would make me sick to my stomach to spend days on a flight deck with such negative people. Life is too short to be wasted listening to dudes like FLY4HIRE telling me I have no say over my life and future. So I make sure I go to a great company with employees who have good attitudes and I sincerely hope it does not get contaminants from Northwest.
But maybe once a merger occurs Northwest employees will become happy. I do feel their terrible attitude is related to their bad contracts. Filty blankets in first class, alchoholic FA who steal drinks off the airplane and treat jumpseaters like trash. what a trashy atmosphere. The only class you find at Northwest is the Pilots. The gate agents tell you that a flight with 40 empty seats is full.
I see no way Northwest could merge with anyone! It has a culture unto it self. Delta Pilots pray you never merge or get ready to be treated like trash by everyone and everyone in Northwest. What a nightmarish thought becoming part of Northwest. I would rather fly king airs in Timbuctu or work at a regional any day. More classy folks.
There is a reason very few pilots apply to work at Northwest. The people suck!!!!

 

[Fly4hire]

Hedge funds decide our future.

They are driving the merger fever, not the airline managements. They are going to do what they can regardless of the employees. If we can stop them great, but we are not any consideration to them other than getting in the way of them profit taking.

DC9 and MD88 diffrences takes one day. One day diffrences. Have you ever flown an MD 88. It would take me 10 yrs to learn to fly that piece of scrap called a DC9.

Flown both extensively. Easy transition to the DC9-80 series. I agree it would be much more time consuming to go the other way.

That and also the attitude of the DC9 pilots, FA and gate agents who hate Pinnacle pilots and most other pilots. It would make me sick to my stomach to spend days on a flight deck with such negative people

Oh I see. Did you get rejected by NWA? I enjoy my job as do most of the crews I work with. There are negative people with victim mentality everywhere - like you.

What a nightmarish thought becoming part of Northwest. I would rather fly king airs in Timbuctu or work at a regional any day.

I have a feeling you are.

 

[jke406]

Don't get your double breasted panties in a twist. There are actual pilots on the property, and then there are modifiers to that baseline for integration calculation puposes. If DAL pilots are flying for example an avg. of 70 hrs. a month, and NWA pilots are flying 90, there is 22% productivity difference between groups. In other words it would take 22 fewer DAL pilots out of 100 to fly the same block hours at NWA. Trust me, it factors. It'll be the respective merger comitees that hammer this out if it comes to it. Talk to them, not your Reps. We'd probably do better in a arbitration IMO.

You'll wear some double-breasted panties soon...if you're lucky. Keep telling yourself getting abused more than Delta guys will pay off down the road, if that's what lets you sleep at night.

Maybe you can bring your horsesh!t work rules to Delta, too? Those guys will love that.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Yawn. Figures you are a peanuckle/former peanuckle pilot. Let me guess, you have/had a NWA bag tag, and tell/told people you flew for NWA? When you jumpseat/nonrev you jump up and block the aisle getting your stuff together instead of waiting for the customers to deplane? Everything you whine about could be substituted for Eagle/AA, ASA,Comair/DAL, Piedmont,Mesa/UsAir, Mesa/UAL. Get my drift. There are **************************************** at every airline in every seat but most of the group are good. There will always be mainline pilots/employees that treat the feed bad, as there will always be feed that have a chip against big brother. You sound like that. As far as no one wanting to work here I think you are wrong. I have been at Natco for a month now and every newbie I meet is very qualified. I will make a guess that they have more pic time with most of it due to the rj than the pilots hired during any other hiring cycle. So I will end it on this. If you are at Dal now and we fly together we will have a great time and I will buy the beer as I always do for my fo. And just remember we are nothing but cost units and our career expectations are not even on the money mens radar.

Fly4hire there you go again saying the employees have no say in what happens to them. Hedge funds decide our future. DC9 and MD88 diffrences takes one day. One day diffrences. Have you ever flown an MD 88. It would take me 10 yrs to learn to fly that piece of scrap called a DC9. You know why I would hate sitting in the flightdeck. That is the reason I never want to work at NWA. That and also the attitude of the DC9 pilots, FA and gate agents who hate Pinnacle pilots and most other pilots. It would make me sick to my stomach to spend days on a flight deck with such negative people. Life is too short to be wasted listening to dudes like FLY4HIRE telling me I have no say over my life and future. So I make sure I go to a great company with employees who have good attitudes and I sincerely hope it does not get contaminants from Northwest.
But maybe once a merger occurs Northwest employees will become happy. I do feel their terrible attitude is related to their bad contracts. Filty blankets in first class, alchoholic FA who steal drinks off the airplane and treat jumpseaters like trash. what a trashy atmosphere. The only class you find at Northwest is the Pilots. The gate agents tell you that a flight with 40 empty seats is full.
I see no way Northwest could merge with anyone! It has a culture unto it self. Delta Pilots pray you never merge or get ready to be treated like trash by everyone and everyone in Northwest. What a nightmarish thought becoming part of Northwest. I would rather fly king airs in Timbuctu or work at a regional any day. More classy folks.
There is a reason very few pilots apply to work at Northwest. The people suck!!!!

 

[Diesel-9]

Nice response. Better (nicer) than I was preparing. Welcome aboard.

 

[Kroll]

[It would take me 10 yrs to learn to fly that piece of scrap called a DC9.]

Let me guess you fly an Rj. Never had a scan and never will. You interveiwed at NWA and got popped in the sim. I flew with a guy that does the interveiws and said that about 50% of the guys fail the sim. You have to be able to fly if your going to come here. I know you won't. Thats cool and it is your choice or not. You seem like a glass 1/4 full.

[/QUOTE][That and also the attitude of the DC9 pilots, FA and gate agents who hate Pinnacle pilots and most other pilots.][/QUOTE]

Wow! Someone rubbed you the wrong way. I have never flown with a captain who has not been polite to our jumpseaters.

[/QUOTE][It would make me sick to my stomach to spend days on a flight deck with such negative people.][/QUOTE]

I can't say I have flown with anyone "really neagative" Couple grips here and there. Thats normal. You might want to re-read your post then take a look in the mirrior. You'll find the negative guy looking back at you.


[/QUOTE][ The only class you find at Northwest is the Pilots. ][/QUOTE]

So make up your mind....are pilots cool or not at NWA? We have class but were to negative to fly with? I'm not sure where your coming from here. Have you been on a drinking binge?

[/QUOTE][The gate agents tell you that a flight with 40 empty seats is full.][/QUOTE]

You must be an unlucky guy or something. I have not experienced this. We have been weight restricted lately a lot, maybe this was the case.


[/QUOTE][There is a reason very few pilots apply to work at Northwest.] The people suck!!!!][/QUOTE]

It's a person choice to apply here or not. In my experience working at NWA is not as bad as people make it out to be on these web boards. Can it be better?............sure. People read garbage like yours and think its the truth. There are a lot of great people at NWA trying to make a living and trying to improve our situation. I'm sorry you have had a bad experience with NWA employees. Maybe you shouldn't take things so personally. You have a choice to not ride on our jumpseats and find another airline to ride on. I wish you the best in finding your King air job.

 

[Fly4hire]

Maybe you can bring your horsesh!t work rules to Delta, too? Those guys will love that.

I'll bet you have never read either contract, or even a comparison. They are a lot closer than you think, with some give here and take there.

Poolie - that says it all. Do us a favor and ditch the Corfams as work shoes, and get over the parochial HS , "my airline is better than your airline" nonsense that pervades here.....

 

[Speedbird34]

I never attempted to work at Northwest. They would be lucky to have a pilot like me grace their interveiw with the present work rules. I am trying to enjoy life and not listen to somebody tell me how I am lucky to have a job in a company with terrible work rules and pay.
We have to stand up as a pilot group and fight for better work rules and pay. By the way as most of you would have figured out by now I am a Delta Pilot. Best deal out there for me. And believe me my phone was ringing off the hook.
I must agree that Northwest has some alright guys. But it is not good enough to just have a few good eggs. 1 rotten apple in a basket of apples distroys the rest. You need to be more selective in your hiring practices. We at Delta are very picky, Very proud of our Airline and always trying to become better. Our Pilots are involved in management.
I heard of a 10yr B757 FO at Northwest leaving for UPS. What drives such a level of unhappiness. Folks our industry is in a crisis and we must stand togather for better work rules. I should not be so unwilling to merge with Northwest. I am the way I am becos I worked in that system and I know the people who work there and how they get treated. I would simply not even consider the place.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings. But folks even my Delta captain I am not here to just follow, I am here to help lead this industry towards a better place.

 

[DAL737FO]

I heard of a 10yr B757 FO at Northwest leaving for UPS. What drives such a level of unhappiness. .

Speedbird34,

When did you come onboard here at Delta? I admire your energy about our airline, however we have had some 10 year FO's leave to go to SWA and UPS. It all comes down to personal decisions about what you feel is right and what you can live with.

As for this merger thread, everyone is going to have their own idea about how it will pan out. You can bet the US Air East guys did not think, in a million years, that the results of arbitration would have ended the way they did. In the end everyone will be unhappy about something. I hope that we just go it a lone here at Delta. Time will tell.

DAL737FO

 

[Speedbird34]

Your 100% right DAL737FO, I started at Delta last year so I am a baby there. But I have gotten treated great by everyone, My pass riders have loved it and I got the feedback on the blankets from them. I know at Northwest I never got upgraded to first class on my deadhead or jumpseat. Here it is a totally diffrent attitude and I am afraid Northwest will distroy it for us. I understand leaving for personal reasons and again maybe I am being too harsh to our ALPA members at NWA. But I believe some humility is in order from there. If you come at me all arrogant then I will tell you what I see about you that is negative. But right now Life has never look better and I am up to my hair in cool aid. So Northwest pilots get ready for a much better company if we merge becos I would rather get laid off and have a better Airline to return to one day than work for a new Delta that looks like something I cannot recognise. And again sorry if I sound like I believe Delta Pilots are better than everyone else out there it is becos they are really the best!!
The Delta pilots union position is the welfare of all pilots both Northwest and Delta should there be a merger. That is what it should be and maybe we all will not have people quit to go fly for UPS,Fedex or Southwest. At least not for finances or quality of life issues.

 

[castle bravo]

[/color]

"There are a lot of great people at NWA trying to make a living and trying to improve our situation. You have a choice to not ride on our jumpseats and find another airline to ride on. "

Have to agree. I have ridden on NWA jumpseats countless times and have always been well treated, and warmly welcomed by the flight deck crew. Thank you NWA pilots.

 

[aircowboy]

Lets face it. Delta needs access to NWA's Asia routes. Asia is the future.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Your 100% right DAL737FO, I started at Delta last year so I am a baby there. But I have gotten treated great by everyone, My pass riders have loved it and I got the feedback on the blankets from them. I know at Northwest I never got upgraded to first class on my deadhead or jumpseat. Here it is a totally diffrent attitude and I am afraid Northwest will distroy it for us. I understand leaving for personal reasons and again maybe I am being too harsh to our ALPA members at NWA. But I believe some humility is in order from there. If you come at me all arrogant then I will tell you what I see about you that is negative. But right now Life has never look better and I am up to my hair in cool aid. So Northwest pilots get ready for a much better company if we merge becos I would rather get laid off and have a better Airline to return to one day than work for a new Delta that looks like something I cannot recognise. And again sorry if I sound like I believe Delta Pilots are better than everyone else out there it is becos they are really the best!!
The Delta pilots union position is the welfare of all pilots both Northwest and Delta should there be a merger. That is what it should be and maybe we all will not have people quit to go fly for UPS,Fedex or Southwest. At least not for finances or quality of life issues.

Sorry, I'm going to have to raise the BS flag here. Your grammar and spelling are entirely too bad, and not even newbies drink as much kool-aid as you seem to. Delta pilot? Hardly. I peg you for either a bored kid or a Pinnacle/Mesaba guy who is upset because he can't get an interview at Northwest. I also noticed you changed your profile just now to reflect 757. I might be wrong, but I don't think a whole lot of newbies are getting the 757 over at Delta.

In fact, after a quick check of your previous posts, you were still a pinnacle pilot in mid-november. I highly doubt you're really at Delta, and if you are you really haven't been there long enough to have any valid opinion of how "good" things are there. Still, though, my money is on you being a POed current Pinnacle guy. I imagine the real reason you don't want to see a DAL/NWA merger is because you know your Pinnacle job would be in serious jeopardy. Just my opinions, but I think you're full of crap.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I might be wrong, but I don't think a whole lot of newbies are getting the 757 over at Delta.

Tell that to the last two classes...48 new hires straight to the 767 international. I flew the 88 for a couple months and then checked out on the 767 domestic (primarily 757 flying).


He/she is right about the NWA agents... I've found they are alot more polite to me now that I'm not wearing the Pinnacle uniform. They are still pretty bad though... rude to customers, especially to nonrevs. I've been told numerous times that "I can't sit in first class so neither can you."

Its amazing how many times I've sat in the 9 cockpit with both guys just depressingly staring out the window.



Also, never accuse a 9E or XJ driver about failing an interview at NWA. NWA now has a policy in their latest hiring cycle of NOT interviewing 9E or XJ guys.

 

[clippyrip]

I would have to agree with FMRFREIGHTDOG on this one. The misspellings are too numerous to imply that he has a degree and made it to the majors. Speedbird also went on to phonetically spell because, becos. This seems almost odd for a person who claims to be better than NWA. He would be lucky to pass English 101 let alone a flight check.
SPEEDBIRD -- For those of us who chose to join NWA, we see a bright future with almost 50% of the workforce retiring in the next 10-15 years. Also, the Asia routes we fly and the bases we have make it an easy choice. It may not be your choice but it works great for me and I would appreciate it if you quit bagging on my company. Thanks.

 

[Fly4hire]

Also, never accuse a 9E or XJ driver about failing an interview at NWA. NWA now has a policy in their latest hiring cycle of NOT interviewing 9E or XJ guys.

BS. Numerous XJ pilots in this cycle.

 

[jke406]

BS. Numerous XJ pilots in this cycle.

well, then, maybe you guys have already hired pocono pilot. good luck with that.


in any case, enjoy steenland and the greediest, most worthless bunch of execs in the industry, including ALPA (and that's saying something).