Future Of Nwa?????

[Fly4hire]

Hopefully this two pilot groups do not merge. I believe the pilots are totally opposite in personality. Look at the fight that the Northwest dude is already starting.
I get the feeling that Northwest guys believe that what management says goes as regards mergers, contract etc with some exceptions. That is a very bad attitude. The feeling that Pilots have no say in their future.

You don't know what the you are talking about. This has nothing to do with NW management, or starting a fight. As far as Kool-Aid, is see a lot more drinking of it from your new CEO than we ever do. I agree with you that the best outcome would be no merger.

The attitude that has been prevalent here is that DAL will buy, and to the victor goes the spoils, and the NW pilots should simply be glad to wear a DAL uniform.

Ain't so boys. Any integration is going to be complex, convoluted, and painful process. I hear way too much banter about this and that advantage the DAL boys have, and how tough their MEC is. Yawn. Productivity IS a factor, as is a myriad of other things. Our old DC9's going away? They are still there. How's about DAL DC9-80's? Doesn't NW own a major share in another DC9 operator - MEH. Where do you think that will factor in in the event of a merger?

Lot's of moving pieces, and tough talk here or in the press does not an integration make.......

You better hope you get hired at one of the 2 soon Speedbird - one place I would not want to be when the Titans clash is as a feeder affiliate.

 

[Diesel-9]

Another book on DAL for those interested. Written after the above book in my previous post. http://www.amazon.com/Airline-Without-Pilot-Leadership-Bankruptcy/dp/0977207609/ref=sid_dp_dp

 

[Sedona16]

You don't know what the you are talking about. This has nothing to do with NW management, or starting a fight. As far as Kool-Aid, is see a lot more drinking of it from your new CEO than we ever do. I agree with you that the best outcome would be no merger.

The attitude that has been prevalent here is that DAL will buy, and to the victor goes the spoils, and the NW pilots should simply be glad to wear a DAL uniform.

Ain't so boys. Any integration is going to be complex, convoluted, and painful process. I hear way too much banter about this and that advantage the DAL boys have, and how tough their MEC is. Yawn. Productivity IS a factor, as is a myriad of other things. Our old DC9's going away? They are still there. How's about DAL DC9-80's? Doesn't NW own a major share in another DC9 operator - MEH. Where do you think that will factor in in the event of a merger?

Lot's of moving pieces, and tough talk here or in the press does not an integration make.......

You better hope you get hired at one of the 2 soon Speedbird - one place I would not want to be when the Titans clash is as a feeder affiliate.

A word of advise. Coming on here posting how through "productivity" you get a leg up, true or not its just irritating to the Delta pilots. Do you want to turn this into another ugly AWA/USA? I would suggest keeping some if not all of this to yourself. If it turns into WWIII as it has at USA then all will lose in the end.

 

[WSurf]

A word of advise. Coming on here posting how through "productivity" you get a leg up, true or not its just irritating to the Delta pilots. Do you want to turn this into another ugly AWA/USA? I would suggest keeping some if not all of this to yourself. If it turns into WWIII as it has at USA then all will lose in the end.

Yea, don't let out any secrets that could make this airline industry any worse.

 

[Fly4hire]

A word of advise. Coming on here posting how through "productivity" you get a leg up, true or not its just irritating to the Delta pilots. Do you want to turn this into another ugly AWA/USA? I would suggest keeping some if not all of this to yourself. If it turns into WWIII as it has at USA then all will lose in the end.

Sedona,

Nothing said here is original, nor secret. I'm sure each MEC, Merger, Negotiating Cmte is doing lots of war gaming, and has considered every possible angle, advantage. There will be much hate and discontent no matter what is agreed to, if anything is. JMO opinion but it will probably end up in arbitration any ways unless there is some serious give and take on both sides. FWIW, the AWA/USA comparison is way off - DAL/NWA are far too close in size, scale and composition than the aforementioned, which is why this, if it happens, is not going to be near as cut and dry as some might assume.

Here's to hoping it doesn't happen at all........

 

[NuGuy]

The attitude that has been prevalent here is that DAL will buy, and to the victor goes the spoils, and the NW pilots should simply be glad to wear a DAL uniform.

Heyas,

Nope...it's gonna be NWA/CAL.

NWA is master of the last minute, unexpected move. They snatched CAL from DAL in 98, and MEH from AAI in 07, both at the very last minute, and AFTER everyone said "yup, it's a done deal".

The one thing NWA knows how to do is annoy people: customers, competitors and employees alike.

Nu

 

[General Lee]

You don't know what the you are talking about. This has nothing to do with NW management, or starting a fight. As far as Kool-Aid, is see a lot more drinking of it from your new CEO than we ever do. I agree with you that the best outcome would be no merger.

The attitude that has been prevalent here is that DAL will buy, and to the victor goes the spoils, and the NW pilots should simply be glad to wear a DAL uniform.

Ain't so boys. Any integration is going to be complex, convoluted, and painful process. I hear way too much banter about this and that advantage the DAL boys have, and how tough their MEC is. Yawn. Productivity IS a factor, as is a myriad of other things. Our old DC9's going away? They are still there. How's about DAL DC9-80's? Doesn't NW own a major share in another DC9 operator - MEH. Where do you think that will factor in in the event of a merger?

Lot's of moving pieces, and tough talk here or in the press does not an integration make.......

You better hope you get hired at one of the 2 soon Speedbird - one place I would not want to be when the Titans clash is as a feeder affiliate.

The reason Delta has to be the buyer is because most of the employees are NON union, and if Delta were the buyer they would implement a seniority merger, vs a staple job from the NWA unions.

Will this merger or acquisition happen? I have no idea. But if there has to be mergers, then I think DAL and NWA would be a good fit thanks to lack of significant overlap. Sure, the fleets aren't very close, but Delta had 13 different fleet types at one point, so a few more from the current 6 or 7 would not be too bad. Again, I hope we stay independant, but if we have to do something, then NWA would be the best fit.

And you NWA guys would LOVE to get our rules---no 5 day crappy trips that start with one leg the first day worth 1 hour to MDW. Your DC9s will leave your property before our MD88s leave ours most likely too. Yeah, yeah, I know you say you will park the 787s and then fly a DC9 home, but I think the gas guzlers, along with the 742s (744s will probably replace your 74Fs), are soon to be gone. We have already parked the planes we planned to park (732s, MD11s, 733s, etc).


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Heyas,

Nope...it's gonna be NWA/CAL.

NWA is master of the last minute, unexpected move. They snatched CAL from DAL in 98, and MEH from AAI in 07, both at the very last minute, and AFTER everyone said "yup, it's a done deal".

The one thing NWA knows how to do is annoy people: customers, competitors and employees alike.

Nu

That would be good. We could buy Alaska and have good West Coast feed.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fly4hire]

Will this merger or acquisition happen? I have no idea. But if there has to be mergers, then I think DAL and NWA would be a good fit thanks to lack of significant overlap. Sure, the fleets aren't very close, but Delta had 13 different fleet types at one point, so a few more from the current 6 or 7 would not be too bad. Again, I hope we stay independent, but if we have to do something, then NWA would be the best fit.

And you NWA guys would LOVE to get our rules---no 5 day crappy trips that start with one leg the first day worth 1 hour to MDW. Your DC9s will leave your property before our MD88s leave ours most likely too. Yeah, yeah, I know you say you will park the 787s and then fly a DC9 home, but I think the gas guzlers, along with the 742s (744s will probably replace your 74Fs), are soon to be gone. We have already parked the planes we planned to park (732s, MD11s, 733s, etc).


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

Happy New Year, and here's to no mergers.

I agree with much of what you say, but it is not ours to decide. The hedge funds and institutional investors are driving much of this, and we are not even counting the left field plays - JB, FNT,AK, that may in fact be the first dominoes to fall. There are too many pieces in play to make coherent sense, and the hedges may well drive a counter intuitive match up.

The only certain thing right now is that given the waning days of this administration, the good possibility of a Democratic WH to follow, and the DOJ approval time line for a consummated merger, I see this spring as the do-or-die for any potential deals to unfold. It's going to be an interesting year.....

I also agree with Nu Guy about NW doing something unanticipated and being the spoiler for everyone else.

 

[EdTeachLives!]

Fly4hire:

You are getting way to worked up.

Stop. Breath into a paper bag or something. NWA won't be merging with DAL anyway.

Start thinking, if you must, about how an LCC/NWA would work out. Or even CAL/NWA. Those are much more likely scenarios. A DAL merge is the worlds worst head fake.

Ed

 

[Jmoney]

Yep.....

That would be good. We could buy Alaska and have good West Coast feed.


Bye Bye--General Lee

As if any further evidence was needed to confirm that this idiot has lost his ever-loving mind!

BTW-West cost feed? Is that not called "Skywest?" And is that not cheaper than buying another major?

P.S.-Also a bit tough to wing that stuff when your stock is doing a great "brick from sky" impersonation!

 

[Kugelblitz]

As a general rule, never ask anyone about the future of their airline ( I recently saw a Skybus pilot rip someone for doubting their viability) for you will always find many pilots who have somehow convinced themselves that their airline is the place to be (i.e. I fly for CAL- a supposed place to be).

Good luck NWA, I suppose you will be alright, after the money poured into the DWA terminal and the imminent opening of MSP, I doubt you will be allowed to go out of business. You may however merge along the lines of TWA..............

 

[Fly4hire]

Good luck NWA, I suppose you will be alright, after the money poured into the DWA terminal and the imminent opening of MSP, I doubt you will be allowed to go out of business. You may however merge along the lines of TWA..............

Your arrogance will make your surprise and shock all that much more enjoyable.....

 

[General Lee]

As if any further evidence was needed to confirm that this idiot has lost his ever-loving mind!

BTW-West cost feed? Is that not called "Skywest?" And is that not cheaper than buying another major?

P.S.-Also a bit tough to wing that stuff when your stock is doing a great "brick from sky" impersonation!

Well, you and your boys at ASA got kicked out of SLC right quick, didn't you? When I say FEED, I mean actual mainline feed. We don't need anymore 50 seaters, which is mostly what SkyWest provides us on the West Coast. It is draining us. And, our stock has fallen from the $18 range when we came out of BK to the current $14 and change. Not as bad as Jetblue's, or USAir's. Look at Alaska's stock. You need to think before you type, really. And what wwe need is revenue, not just "cheap feed" from SkyWest. We need to actually make money, not get by. Alaska does well on the entire West Coast, and that is valuable to anyone. Have fun in Brunswick.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dojetdriver]

Well, you and your boys at ASA got kicked out of SLC right quick, didn't you? When I say FEED, I mean actual mainline feed. We don't need anymore 50 seaters, which is mostly what SkyWest provides us on the West Coast. It is draining us.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Is that why YOUR management wants more 50 seat aircraft from ExpressJet?

Also, it wasn't until just recently, but SkyWest was not allowed to operate in and out of LAX (you know, the west coast) as DelCon. I believe the LAX-SLC was an exception.