Future Of Nwa?????

[jke406]

Don't get your double breasted panties in a twist. There are actual pilots on the property, and then there are modifiers to that baseline for integration calculation puposes. If DAL pilots are flying for example an avg. of 70 hrs. a month, and NWA pilots are flying 90, there is 22% productivity difference between groups. In other words it would take 22 fewer DAL pilots out of 100 to fly the same block hours at NWA. Trust me, it factors. It'll be the respective merger comitees that hammer this out if it comes to it. Talk to them, not your Reps. We'd probably do better in a arbitration IMO.

You'll wear some double-breasted panties soon...if you're lucky. Keep telling yourself getting abused more than Delta guys will pay off down the road, if that's what lets you sleep at night.

Maybe you can bring your horsesh!t work rules to Delta, too? Those guys will love that.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Yawn. Figures you are a peanuckle/former peanuckle pilot. Let me guess, you have/had a NWA bag tag, and tell/told people you flew for NWA? When you jumpseat/nonrev you jump up and block the aisle getting your stuff together instead of waiting for the customers to deplane? Everything you whine about could be substituted for Eagle/AA, ASA,Comair/DAL, Piedmont,Mesa/UsAir, Mesa/UAL. Get my drift. There are **************************************** at every airline in every seat but most of the group are good. There will always be mainline pilots/employees that treat the feed bad, as there will always be feed that have a chip against big brother. You sound like that. As far as no one wanting to work here I think you are wrong. I have been at Natco for a month now and every newbie I meet is very qualified. I will make a guess that they have more pic time with most of it due to the rj than the pilots hired during any other hiring cycle. So I will end it on this. If you are at Dal now and we fly together we will have a great time and I will buy the beer as I always do for my fo. And just remember we are nothing but cost units and our career expectations are not even on the money mens radar.

Fly4hire there you go again saying the employees have no say in what happens to them. Hedge funds decide our future. DC9 and MD88 diffrences takes one day. One day diffrences. Have you ever flown an MD 88. It would take me 10 yrs to learn to fly that piece of scrap called a DC9. You know why I would hate sitting in the flightdeck. That is the reason I never want to work at NWA. That and also the attitude of the DC9 pilots, FA and gate agents who hate Pinnacle pilots and most other pilots. It would make me sick to my stomach to spend days on a flight deck with such negative people. Life is too short to be wasted listening to dudes like FLY4HIRE telling me I have no say over my life and future. So I make sure I go to a great company with employees who have good attitudes and I sincerely hope it does not get contaminants from Northwest.
But maybe once a merger occurs Northwest employees will become happy. I do feel their terrible attitude is related to their bad contracts. Filty blankets in first class, alchoholic FA who steal drinks off the airplane and treat jumpseaters like trash. what a trashy atmosphere. The only class you find at Northwest is the Pilots. The gate agents tell you that a flight with 40 empty seats is full.
I see no way Northwest could merge with anyone! It has a culture unto it self. Delta Pilots pray you never merge or get ready to be treated like trash by everyone and everyone in Northwest. What a nightmarish thought becoming part of Northwest. I would rather fly king airs in Timbuctu or work at a regional any day. More classy folks.
There is a reason very few pilots apply to work at Northwest. The people suck!!!!

 

[Diesel-9]

Nice response. Better (nicer) than I was preparing. Welcome aboard.

 

[Kroll]

[It would take me 10 yrs to learn to fly that piece of scrap called a DC9.]

Let me guess you fly an Rj. Never had a scan and never will. You interveiwed at NWA and got popped in the sim. I flew with a guy that does the interveiws and said that about 50% of the guys fail the sim. You have to be able to fly if your going to come here. I know you won't. Thats cool and it is your choice or not. You seem like a glass 1/4 full.

[/QUOTE][That and also the attitude of the DC9 pilots, FA and gate agents who hate Pinnacle pilots and most other pilots.][/QUOTE]

Wow! Someone rubbed you the wrong way. I have never flown with a captain who has not been polite to our jumpseaters.

[/QUOTE][It would make me sick to my stomach to spend days on a flight deck with such negative people.][/QUOTE]

I can't say I have flown with anyone "really neagative" Couple grips here and there. Thats normal. You might want to re-read your post then take a look in the mirrior. You'll find the negative guy looking back at you.


[/QUOTE][ The only class you find at Northwest is the Pilots. ][/QUOTE]

So make up your mind....are pilots cool or not at NWA? We have class but were to negative to fly with? I'm not sure where your coming from here. Have you been on a drinking binge?

[/QUOTE][The gate agents tell you that a flight with 40 empty seats is full.][/QUOTE]

You must be an unlucky guy or something. I have not experienced this. We have been weight restricted lately a lot, maybe this was the case.


[/QUOTE][There is a reason very few pilots apply to work at Northwest.] The people suck!!!!][/QUOTE]

It's a person choice to apply here or not. In my experience working at NWA is not as bad as people make it out to be on these web boards. Can it be better?............sure. People read garbage like yours and think its the truth. There are a lot of great people at NWA trying to make a living and trying to improve our situation. I'm sorry you have had a bad experience with NWA employees. Maybe you shouldn't take things so personally. You have a choice to not ride on our jumpseats and find another airline to ride on. I wish you the best in finding your King air job.

 

[Fly4hire]

Maybe you can bring your horsesh!t work rules to Delta, too? Those guys will love that.

I'll bet you have never read either contract, or even a comparison. They are a lot closer than you think, with some give here and take there.

Poolie - that says it all. Do us a favor and ditch the Corfams as work shoes, and get over the parochial HS , "my airline is better than your airline" nonsense that pervades here.....

 

[Speedbird34]

I never attempted to work at Northwest. They would be lucky to have a pilot like me grace their interveiw with the present work rules. I am trying to enjoy life and not listen to somebody tell me how I am lucky to have a job in a company with terrible work rules and pay.
We have to stand up as a pilot group and fight for better work rules and pay. By the way as most of you would have figured out by now I am a Delta Pilot. Best deal out there for me. And believe me my phone was ringing off the hook.
I must agree that Northwest has some alright guys. But it is not good enough to just have a few good eggs. 1 rotten apple in a basket of apples distroys the rest. You need to be more selective in your hiring practices. We at Delta are very picky, Very proud of our Airline and always trying to become better. Our Pilots are involved in management.
I heard of a 10yr B757 FO at Northwest leaving for UPS. What drives such a level of unhappiness. Folks our industry is in a crisis and we must stand togather for better work rules. I should not be so unwilling to merge with Northwest. I am the way I am becos I worked in that system and I know the people who work there and how they get treated. I would simply not even consider the place.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings. But folks even my Delta captain I am not here to just follow, I am here to help lead this industry towards a better place.

 

[DAL737FO]

I heard of a 10yr B757 FO at Northwest leaving for UPS. What drives such a level of unhappiness. .

Speedbird34,

When did you come onboard here at Delta? I admire your energy about our airline, however we have had some 10 year FO's leave to go to SWA and UPS. It all comes down to personal decisions about what you feel is right and what you can live with.

As for this merger thread, everyone is going to have their own idea about how it will pan out. You can bet the US Air East guys did not think, in a million years, that the results of arbitration would have ended the way they did. In the end everyone will be unhappy about something. I hope that we just go it a lone here at Delta. Time will tell.

DAL737FO

 

[Speedbird34]

Your 100% right DAL737FO, I started at Delta last year so I am a baby there. But I have gotten treated great by everyone, My pass riders have loved it and I got the feedback on the blankets from them. I know at Northwest I never got upgraded to first class on my deadhead or jumpseat. Here it is a totally diffrent attitude and I am afraid Northwest will distroy it for us. I understand leaving for personal reasons and again maybe I am being too harsh to our ALPA members at NWA. But I believe some humility is in order from there. If you come at me all arrogant then I will tell you what I see about you that is negative. But right now Life has never look better and I am up to my hair in cool aid. So Northwest pilots get ready for a much better company if we merge becos I would rather get laid off and have a better Airline to return to one day than work for a new Delta that looks like something I cannot recognise. And again sorry if I sound like I believe Delta Pilots are better than everyone else out there it is becos they are really the best!!
The Delta pilots union position is the welfare of all pilots both Northwest and Delta should there be a merger. That is what it should be and maybe we all will not have people quit to go fly for UPS,Fedex or Southwest. At least not for finances or quality of life issues.

 

[castle bravo]

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"There are a lot of great people at NWA trying to make a living and trying to improve our situation. You have a choice to not ride on our jumpseats and find another airline to ride on. "

Have to agree. I have ridden on NWA jumpseats countless times and have always been well treated, and warmly welcomed by the flight deck crew. Thank you NWA pilots.

 

[aircowboy]

Lets face it. Delta needs access to NWA's Asia routes. Asia is the future.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Your 100% right DAL737FO, I started at Delta last year so I am a baby there. But I have gotten treated great by everyone, My pass riders have loved it and I got the feedback on the blankets from them. I know at Northwest I never got upgraded to first class on my deadhead or jumpseat. Here it is a totally diffrent attitude and I am afraid Northwest will distroy it for us. I understand leaving for personal reasons and again maybe I am being too harsh to our ALPA members at NWA. But I believe some humility is in order from there. If you come at me all arrogant then I will tell you what I see about you that is negative. But right now Life has never look better and I am up to my hair in cool aid. So Northwest pilots get ready for a much better company if we merge becos I would rather get laid off and have a better Airline to return to one day than work for a new Delta that looks like something I cannot recognise. And again sorry if I sound like I believe Delta Pilots are better than everyone else out there it is becos they are really the best!!
The Delta pilots union position is the welfare of all pilots both Northwest and Delta should there be a merger. That is what it should be and maybe we all will not have people quit to go fly for UPS,Fedex or Southwest. At least not for finances or quality of life issues.

Sorry, I'm going to have to raise the BS flag here. Your grammar and spelling are entirely too bad, and not even newbies drink as much kool-aid as you seem to. Delta pilot? Hardly. I peg you for either a bored kid or a Pinnacle/Mesaba guy who is upset because he can't get an interview at Northwest. I also noticed you changed your profile just now to reflect 757. I might be wrong, but I don't think a whole lot of newbies are getting the 757 over at Delta.

In fact, after a quick check of your previous posts, you were still a pinnacle pilot in mid-november. I highly doubt you're really at Delta, and if you are you really haven't been there long enough to have any valid opinion of how "good" things are there. Still, though, my money is on you being a POed current Pinnacle guy. I imagine the real reason you don't want to see a DAL/NWA merger is because you know your Pinnacle job would be in serious jeopardy. Just my opinions, but I think you're full of crap.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I might be wrong, but I don't think a whole lot of newbies are getting the 757 over at Delta.

Tell that to the last two classes...48 new hires straight to the 767 international. I flew the 88 for a couple months and then checked out on the 767 domestic (primarily 757 flying).


He/she is right about the NWA agents... I've found they are alot more polite to me now that I'm not wearing the Pinnacle uniform. They are still pretty bad though... rude to customers, especially to nonrevs. I've been told numerous times that "I can't sit in first class so neither can you."

Its amazing how many times I've sat in the 9 cockpit with both guys just depressingly staring out the window.



Also, never accuse a 9E or XJ driver about failing an interview at NWA. NWA now has a policy in their latest hiring cycle of NOT interviewing 9E or XJ guys.

 

[clippyrip]

I would have to agree with FMRFREIGHTDOG on this one. The misspellings are too numerous to imply that he has a degree and made it to the majors. Speedbird also went on to phonetically spell because, becos. This seems almost odd for a person who claims to be better than NWA. He would be lucky to pass English 101 let alone a flight check.
SPEEDBIRD -- For those of us who chose to join NWA, we see a bright future with almost 50% of the workforce retiring in the next 10-15 years. Also, the Asia routes we fly and the bases we have make it an easy choice. It may not be your choice but it works great for me and I would appreciate it if you quit bagging on my company. Thanks.

 

[Fly4hire]

Also, never accuse a 9E or XJ driver about failing an interview at NWA. NWA now has a policy in their latest hiring cycle of NOT interviewing 9E or XJ guys.

BS. Numerous XJ pilots in this cycle.

 

[jke406]

BS. Numerous XJ pilots in this cycle.

well, then, maybe you guys have already hired pocono pilot. good luck with that.


in any case, enjoy steenland and the greediest, most worthless bunch of execs in the industry, including ALPA (and that's saying something).