ALL Flying will performed by AA pilots

[Flyby1206]

FO 4--flywithruss said APA wanted a "bump and flush".

I was making the point that there were offers to limit the damage by flowbacks and Eagle MEC wanted nothing to do with it. There is blame on both sides for the failure to come to an agreement on "Onelist".

What you say is true. If ALL pilots came to AA via flowthrough/starting at Eagle, how would the military guys get their squadron buddies in the door without them "having" to fly at ATR?

THAT issue will be a sticking point to ANY Legacy trying to bring on a w/o regional. TC

Allow the squadron buddies to start on the MD80, as long as their overall seniority isnt above someone who has slugged it out in the trenches in the Saab for years prior. Make at least 50% of every MD80 class pilots who were flying at AE. The other 50% can be off the street, but their overall seniority is below the rest.

 

[Golden Falcon]

This whole issue is evidence of a huge screw-up 20+yrs ago when the mainline pilots didnt fight for "one-list" with their regional affiliates..now the mainline arrogance is biting them in the ass, and it serves them right

 

[N2264J]

Re: ALL Flying will performed by the AA pilots

Fabricated...maybe. But I had more than one CMR pilot during that time tell me to my face that they were going to get DOH.

And let me tell you how many of those pilots were on the MEC: zero.

 

[siucavflight]

Here is the latest APA press release

From the APA News Digest...

Proposed American Eagle Sell-Off Benefits No One

Communications Committee: A week ago, we told you our initial analysis of AMR management's very public announcement of their stated intent to sell off American Eagle (AE) was an empty offer designed only to bolster the sagging stock price. In another indication that our analysis was right on target, we have yet to find anyone who would benefit from an AE divestiture. Even Wall Street has failed to embrace the idea and the stock continues to slide as investors begin to understand how much management has destroyed employee relations, customer service and operational reliability.

Today our brothers and sisters at AE-ALPA issued a press release highlighting how severely customer service would be further adversely affected by an AE sell-off. It also discusses how our scope provisions would further restrict AE operations if it were no longer a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR.

Speaking of scope, last week we also publicized our new scope proposal which simply states ALL flying done by or on behalf of AMR will be performed by pilots on the AA seniority list. To clarify, this proposal is meant to be inclusive, not exclusive. AA pilots, AE pilots, AMR, our customers and our shareholders would all benefit from being one airline. Breaking up the airline will create a more complex and restricted operation and cause further animosity and a more hostile work environment for employees. The benefits of one airline not only include operational and maintenance simplification and efficiency, it also creates happier and more productive employees. Once again, we can count on AMR management to take a path that is in the worst interest of all, so it should not surprise any of us that their proposed AE sell-off would benefit no one.

 

[JoeMerchant]

..... the APA is now quoting the RJDC..... "inclusive, not exclusive".......

 

[eaglefly]

..... the APA is now quoting the RJDC..... "inclusive, not exclusive".......

They'll quote Adolf Hitler if it gets them what they want.

In the end though, quotes will get them nowhere.

AMR is already in the early stages of lining up a pre-packaged bankruptcy as a "last stand" should negotiations fail. Should the NMB get to the point a 30 day "cooling off" period starts, AMR will finalize the details during that time and should no agreement be reached (or the APA won't come back to the table), they'll file the BK.

It's a last resort that can only be better than a disasterous strike.

The BK will prevent any legal job actions and then AMR will impose what they want. Many mainline employees will get pissed, but since mainline would likely shrink dramatically to International and long-range Domestic, it should minimize problems as those who want to keep their pensions will press on, although unhappily.

The new short/medium range domestic ops with 100-seaters would be mostly new employees, many former Eagle. Of course, the APA could come to their senses and deal, which will almost certainly be the outcome.

One problem is if AMR runs into too much resistance from ALL the different unions, the BK option actually may be MORE desireable as it cleans everything up in one 12 month period and prevents ANYONE from legally engaging in self-help.

Since Eagle will be spun-off to the shareholders no longer owned by AMR, no BK for them. The BK option will also eliminate the current APA scope provisions preventing Eagle from flying 100-seaters as a stand alone company even FOR AMR or on former AA routes using former AA facilities and services.

Maybe they're already talking to Robert Crandall who said if he could get his hands on Eagle to do this type of flying he could make good money ?

Maybe the APA is VERY concerned and sees the Eagle announcement as the beginning of AMR preparing itself to emasculate the APA's bargaining power ?

Maybe the APA is screwed ?

 

[Draginass]

Glad you have it all figured out. Prep'ing for your 777 upgrade to fly it for RJ Eagle pay?

They'll quote Adolf Hitler if it gets them what they want.

In the end though, quotes will get them nowhere.

AMR is already in the early stages of lining up a pre-packaged bankruptcy as a "last stand" should negotiations fail. Should the NMB get to the point a 30 day "cooling off" period starts, AMR will finalize the details during that time and should no agreement be reached (or the APA won't come back to the table), they'll file the BK.

It's a last resort that can only be better than a disasterous strike.

The BK will prevent any legal job actions and then AMR will impose what they want. Many mainline employees will get pissed, but since mainline would likely shrink dramatically to International and long-range Domestic, it should minimize problems as those who want to keep their pensions will press on, although unhappily.

The new short/medium range domestic ops with 100-seaters would be mostly new employees, many former Eagle. Of course, the APA could come to their senses and deal, which will almost certainly be the outcome.

One problem is if AMR runs into too much resistance from ALL the different unions, the BK option actually may be MORE desireable as it cleans everything up in one 12 month period and prevents ANYONE from legally engaging in self-help.

Since Eagle will be spun-off to the shareholders no longer owned by AMR, no BK for them. The BK option will also eliminate the current APA scope provisions preventing Eagle from flying 100-seaters as a stand alone company even FOR AMR or on former AA routes using former AA facilities and services.

Maybe they're already talking to Robert Crandall who said if he could get his hands on Eagle to do this type of flying he could make good money ?

Maybe the APA is VERY concerned and sees the Eagle announcement as the beginning of AMR preparing itself to emasculate the APA's bargaining power ?

Maybe the APA is screwed ?

 

[chignutsak]

"Today our brothers and sisters at AE-ALPA..."

Wow, can you feel the love...Now we're bros!!

 

[eaglefly]

Glad you have it all figured out. Prep'ing for your 777 upgrade to fly it for RJ Eagle pay?

Not at all.

Contrary to what you may think, I take no pleasure in the above scenario, but I just highlight it as a VERY distinct possibility. AMR WILL prepare itself to prevent a strike, that is CERTAIN.

In order for "one list" or all flying to be done by APA represented pilots, AMR would have to buy into that and IMO, they NEVER will.

The most likely scenario would be an agreement outside of a strike or BK, but that's only if the other unions didn't gang up and AMR felt it's back is against the wall.

It IS interesting that the APA NOW refers to us as "brothers and sisters", when in the past they had no problem alienating us as inferior or unworthy. Of course, MOST AA pilots don't necessarily harbor any bad feelings per say at Eagle pilots and most of us know that. But, the traditional policy (and behavior) of the APA reeks of untrustworthy self-servance and will be viewed as such

Their behavior and actions have been a tad MORE then disngenuous and have belied a lack of honesty. Most of us at Eagle aren't falling for that, as we know that the APA would sucker us into anything that was in THEIR best interest and at our expense.

We have little leverage with AMR on their future plans and can only watch your show and sandbag our house as best as possible............because there IS a flood coming and it will likley be bad for all.

 

[Black Hawk]

So are they talking about adding the Eagle pilots to the AA seniority list by DOH? Thought not.