The REAL NJ TA Story

[Humphreybogart]

So, is there anyone who cares to share what the REAL story is on NJ's new TA? Sure the pay raise, especially for the newbies, is fair for todays standards, but I'm sure that there is something the rank and file are having to give up. If there are no givebacks, then why did some of you guys vote against the TA? I'm sure the NJ management didn't offer you this new TA package out of the kindness of their hearts. Just wondering what the REAL, behind the scene story is. Anyone care to be honest and share?

 

[flagshipper]

I dont even work for NJA I actually work for CS but I think the reasoning for the TA is pretty obvious. Fixing costs is important for a business where contracts are signed in 5 year increments. They can now base their pricing on a certain pilot pay scale until the amendable date. CS has griped about how their old contracts are not profitable but the new ones are. Also this new TA while it is a substantial pay increase for FOs is barely a COLA increase over the long term but still out of this world compared to CS pay.

 

[skiandsurf]

biggest complaint is the term. It is a 5 year contract, but can be extended if the company meets certain goals.

 

[RideandDrive]

Captain pay scales on the 7 and 7 are not substantial enough. However, i think the good points outweight the negative. Scope is the biggest thing in my opinion and putting an end to alter ego NJI.

 

[CA1900]

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Thank you.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Bogie's just jealous.

 

[RTRHD]

putting an end to alter ego NJI.

And how did you do that?

 

[realityman]

Come one Bogie! When you NEGOTIATE (maybe you should look up the definition of that word) there is give and take from both sides.

Having said that, we didn't 'give back' much. We did alter some provisions in the contract, some in the pilots' favor, some in the company's favor. But again, it all ties into the definition of 'negotiation'.

One of the most important things both the pilots and the company got in this IBB is a contract that will enable the company to (hopefully) operate more efficiently and profitably and thereby create solid stability for the company. And long-term job security is an exceptionally good thing for the pilots!

But truthfully, there were very few givebacks from our side. Some will argue we didn't get as much as we could have, but that's not the same as giving things back.

 

[tk855]

And how did you do that?

We didn't! I would say that a "seed" was planted though, would you not agree?

Alter ego seems to be a stretch if you ask me. Personally, all will benefit greatly from being on one seniority list.

 

[RTRHD]

We didn't! I would say that a "seed" was planted though, would you not agree?

Alter ego seems to be a stretch if you ask me. Personally, all will benefit greatly from being on one seniority list.

A seed was definitely planted. All FO's come from the A side but the original 300 are pretty much untouched. I guess it is a good deal we will see.

 

[Dr Pepper]

So, is there anyone who cares to share what the REAL story is on NJ's new TA? Sure the pay raise, especially for the newbies, is fair for todays standards, but I'm sure that there is something the rank and file are having to give up. If there are no givebacks, then why did some of you guys vote against the TA? I'm sure the NJ management didn't offer you this new TA package out of the kindness of their hearts. Just wondering what the REAL, behind the scene story is. Anyone care to be honest and share?

Negatives have been posted on many different threads, but here goes.

18 day fixed and 12 PTO days is a give back from the 18 day, 4 H day, and large amounts of vacation skillfully planned. About 20% of the pilots are on this schedule. Some would say the money is not enough to go to this schedule.

The 18 day schedule can only have manning reduced by 10% per quarter.

Retiree med benefits go away. This is debatable as to how much a give-back this is.

Company credit card is now mandatory. This could cost an individual thousands of dollars, since they are no longer getting the large number of Hilton points with their AMEX. Minor yes, but unnecessary.

Calling in sick before 4 hrs of work, you will be charged time off.

Calling in well must be done by 5PM eastern time.
HBA rights are watered down.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Humpy,

I understand your skepticism. I would be skeptical too looking in from the outside.

This deal started out to be a win-win from it's inception. I was skeptical as HELL at first.

In the end, it was a win-win.

What did we gain? Stuff.

What did we lose? Stuff.

In the end, it was all a horce a piece.... pretty much a wash.

The F/Os got a HUGE helping hand. What's good for them is good for me in the long run. I received good things as a PIC too, not as much though. They were due much more.

Following the labor strife of 2005, we needed this.

What did we gain that can NEVER be put into the writing of any CBA? Mutual respect for each other (management and labor) as one team and a reinvested energy to work through issues together.

That is just priceless. Period.

 

[RTRHD]

Humpy, What did we gain that can NEVER be put into the writing of any CBA? Mutual respect for each other (management and labor) as one team and a reinvested energy to work through issues together.

That is just priceless. Period.

Who are you and what have you done with FLYLOW. :laugh:

 

[DHPFLYN]

Company credit card is now mandatory. This could cost an individual thousands of dollars, since they are no longer getting the large number of Hilton points with their AMEX. Minor yes, but unnecessary.


Could you explain that a little more? Does this mena no more points at all??

Thanks

 

[psysicx]

Is the 15 day schedule going to be senior?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Who are you and what have you done with FLYLOW. :laugh:

It's wierd, huh?

I feel so much better working for a company because I want to rather than because I have to.:beer:

 

[Buddro]

Is the 15 day schedule going to be senior?

Time will tell...we will know by the end of the year!

 

[RideandDrive]

I'd say the end of new hires off the street takes care of the NJI issue. One seniority list is a definite winner.

All Netjets US flying should be done by 1108 pilots. Any other carrier is a threat.

 

[cush]

Company credit card is now mandatory. This could cost an individual thousands of dollars, since they are no longer getting the large number of Hilton points with their AMEX. Minor yes, but unnecessary.


Could you explain that a little more? Does this mena no more points at all??

Thanks

We still get all the points from airline mileage, just not as many hotel points (as the company card is independent of hotel chains). The points go into a pool (maximum of 40k/yr) to be used however one chooses. The airline tickets and hotels are purchased on your company card and purchase price points go into that pool.

Personally, I like the protection from identity theft the company card offers vs. using one's own card on the road.

 

[CA1900]

The [company card] points go into a pool (maximum of 40k/yr) to be used however one chooses...

As part of the IBB negotiations (section 20.3), the point caps have been removed:

The current level of customer loyalty benefits will not be reduced by the Companyand there will be no imposed loyalty point accumulation limits associated with the Company credit card.

:beer: