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yasir1212

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I hope everyone emails this idiot "expert" and let her hear it!! Here's a link to email her...


http://www.flyana.com/form.html

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"Pilots get 10 times more air than passengers." -Fairechild

[SIZE=-1]Airline pilots get [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ten times[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] more oxygen than passengers get.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Insufficient oxygen can cause many symptoms including impaired visual acuity.

Of course we all want our pilots to see as well as they possibly can -- especially for landings. (As a matter of fact, some airlines require their pilots to inhale oxygen prior to landing so that they are as alert as possible for this crucial phase of the flight.)
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[SIZE=-1]If the air quality on your flight is bad, request your flight attendant to ask the pilot to provide passengers with the same air quality he's breathing in the cockpit.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Speak to your flight attendant about the air quality if:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]-You are having difficulty concentrating on tasks such as reading or business work.
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-[SIZE=-1]Your lungs ache.
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-[SIZE=-1]Your skin feels clammy.
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-[SIZE=-1]You feel nauseated (and there's no turbulence).
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-[SIZE=-1]You have a headache.[/SIZE]
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ASK FOR BETTER AIR
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[SIZE=-1]Gently, kindly, ask your flight attendant (remember s/he is breathing the same air you are):[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"When you have time, please ask the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]pilot[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] for less recirculated air and more fresh air because I'm having trouble breathing."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Wait 15 minutes. You'll know if an air pack has been activated:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]-You'll find it easier to breathe.
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-[SIZE=-1]You'll hear a louder whoosh from the plane's air-conditioning system.[/SIZE]
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OXYGEN BOTTLE
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[SIZE=-1]You may want to ask for an oxygen bottle. There are about 25 portable bottles on every 747. Sipping from a portable oxygen bottle en route helps me to feel markedly better both en route and after landings.[/SIZE]
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SARS, TB
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[SIZE=-1]The latest information about transmission of tuberculosis on jets says that only those passengers seated "near" the contagious individual are at risk![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Hmm, it seems to me it also depends upon where the contagious passenger is seated in relation to the aircraft's air vents and outflow vents, the amount of air being pumped into the cabin, the duration of the flight, the departure location which determines humidity in the cabin for the first few hours, the passenger load, the number of times the contagious individual coughs, if s/he coughs on the way to the lavatory, if you're the next one in that lavatory....[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]What would you do if someone next to you or behind you, God forbid, has a hacking cough?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I'd find another seat. If I couldn't find another seat, I'd speak (politely) to the flight attendant:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"The passenger behind me is coughing so much I'm wondering if he has TB, and concerned that he's probably contagious. Any chance you could help me to change seats, or may I stand up by the door for awhile, please?"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]By the way, I've been contacted by several international flight attendants who have TB. They obviously didn't have it when they were hired, or they would not have been hired by the airlines.[/SIZE]
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FLY DEFENSIVELY
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[SIZE=-1]• While on board, cover your nose and mouth with a water-saturated cotton handkerchief. This will help block the spread of germs, while also providing humidity for your lungs.

• Carry a disposable, surgical mask in your bag in case someone on board is coughing a lot. Present this individual with the mask, perhaps saying something like you understand they would probably want to wear one of these in order to help cut down on the transmission of their disease.
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[SIZE=-1]Even using all the fresh air available on board isn't going to eliminate the TB or SARS threat on commercial jets — but it will help to cut down on the transmission of contagious diseases in airplanes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Meanwhile, the airlines are now penalizing passengers who don't want to fly when they have a contagious diseases by [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]cancelling their tickets[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] only with a penalty surcharge.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Stay tuned.[/SIZE]
 
uhhhh...

why is she an idiot again??!!

You don't like taking care of a passenger of yours who is encountering respiratory difficulties?

She only offers suggestions to those who may be suffering.

What disservice does she do to pilots?
 
uhhhh...

why is she an idiot again??!!

You don't like taking care of a passenger of yours who is encountering respiratory difficulties?

She only offers suggestions to those who may be suffering.

What disservice does she do to pilots?

Except what she wrote is mostly bullS@#T
 
Airline pilots get [SIZE=-1]ten times[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] more oxygen than passengers get.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Insufficient oxygen can cause many symptoms including impaired visual acuity.[/SIZE]


The Homewrecker or Triple Lindy with extra beans from Moe's on Concourse C, while locked behind a bullet proof door is enough to cause more than impaired vision.

I guess this lady hasn't flown on a CRJ-200 with a deferred APU on the ground or a descent at idle power. Honey, nobody's getting air.
 
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I guess this lady hasn't flown on a CRJ-200 with a deferred APU on the ground or a descent at idle power. Honey, nobody's getting air.

Heh. My thoughts exactly.

Just when you thought the flying public couldn't get any stupider .. . .

Does anyone seriously think that the OXYGEN ratio has ANY measurable difference between the cockpit and the back seat in a small pressurized vessel like an airplane? Not air, but OXYGEN, which is what she references.

It's been pretty conclusively demonstrated that the HEPA filters do a great job filtering out bad stuff, and the recirc fans just shove it through those same filters again. (assuming your airline changes those filters on schedule, of course)

Chirst, I could go on and on.
 
Did anybody go to her website? She claims to be a former chief purser for Pan Am. How can she write this crap when she's been a crewmember herself? Is this one of those "pilot tricks the flight attendant" pranks gone awfully awry?
 
uhhhh...

why is she an idiot again??!!

You don't like taking care of a passenger of yours who is encountering respiratory difficulties?

She only offers suggestions to those who may be suffering.

What disservice does she do to pilots?

I'm not sure if you are a pilot or what type of experience you have, but everything that she said relating to the systems of an aircraft were very incorrect. She suggests that we have a control that varies the amount of 02 based on how much air is recirculated. I have not flown or even heard of an aircraft that has such a thing. (I am an A&P as well as a pilot.) I guess that it is possible that the latest Boeing or Airbus aircraft have something like this, but even so, that would be a tiny fraction of the number of aircraft flying. Packs are either on or off for the most part. Even temperature control is merely determining how much hot bleed air is mixed together with discharge air from the pack - period. She also suggests that we fly around regularly with some of our packs off - another suggestion that I have never heard of in normal operation. Have one deferred, maybe. The dumbest comment has to be about suggesting that we have better air in the cockpit. We might have a separate temperature control for the pack that gives more than half of it's output in the cockpit (my current aircraft) but the air quality is exactly the same at the vents. Once it is inside the pressure vessle, I don't see how it doesn't all mix together. The only sliver of truth to any of this would be that the "air quality" would be worse towards the back of the A/C... When I flew the EMB-120, the lav was right behind my seat. If someone went in and "dropped the kids off at the pool" we would climb the cabin to get rid of the stink. Too bad for the guy in the back row who got all of the stink on it's way out the outflow valve, (think of standing on a roof smelling a bathroom exhaust fan) but at least they had to stare everyone in the face who knew they just took a dump.

As for some of her other suggestions:

Most airplanes have only a few 02 bottles, for REAL medical emergencies. They are not for Germophobes that get their information from un-informed idiots scaring them to action.

How stupid would everyone look with wet washcloth over their mouth?

Most people who complain about the "dirty air" in an airplane fail to realize that it is probably much fresher than in almost any area with many people in close quarters. The airplane is always leaking, the only way to keep it pressurized is to add more air than is leaking out and to control the rate of the leak. If they really want to go after some dirty air, I would look at your average bus, train, subway, etc... that doesn't have at LEAST two 3" pipes with 60+ PSI of air flowing the entire time.

So to answer your question, that's why we think that she is an idiot.

I have one for you, Amish guy... How do you please an Amish woman??

Two Mennonite :D
 
http://www.flyana.com/delay.html
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Sitting on the tarmac more than one hour and thirty minutes, here's what passengers can do: [/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1) After three hours maximum sitting on the tarmac, call the FBI on your cell phone and tell them you are being held hostage. The telephone number for FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. is (202) 324-3000. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2) Help others. Look around to see if there is anyone who might need assistance. An elder or a single parent who may need a break.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3) Be prepared for delays whenever you fly: with a good book, paper to document the incident, a snack, and liter of water (even if you have to pay $4 for it in the airport).[/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]4) Since state of mind can effect your health, do everything you can to keep an upbeat outlook during the ordeal.[/SIZE][/FONT]

LMAO!!!!!

I would pay to see that happen, and pay more to see the FBI's response!
 
Yeah, I always cruise around with the packs off, and only turn them on "by request". Don't you all?
 
I have a Oxy/Pulse meeter I have seen my Oxygen Levels drop to only about 92-95%% on an airliner consistent with an Altitude of about 7000-9000' in me in a GA airplane!

I wonder if she used an Oxy/Pulse meeter in her Studies!
 
She's right, I routinely fly around unpressurized to save fuel, if a passenger asks I'll turn on a pack for a few minutes. Usually everyone sleeps on my flights though.:)
 
From the author's website, about her self:

"I lost my health because of the airline practice of spraying [SIZE=-1]pesticides[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] inside airplane cabins—the toxic mist raining down on my skin."[/SIZE]

I guess its not her fault she's a moron.
 
Ahhhh,
Fukkem, we got their money. When I have a long flight with drunks on board, I just run the cabin up to 7000ft or so, they pass right out. See first sentence above.
PBR
 
yasir1212;1448873 [URL said:
http://www.flyana.com/form.html[/URL]

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"Pilots get 10 times more air than passengers." -Fairechild

Airline pilots get ten times more oxygen than passengers get. Insufficient oxygen can cause many symptoms including impaired visual acuity.

She probably once saw the regs for supplemental oxygen requirements for pilots and pax, i.e. 110 minutes for pilots and 15 minutes for pax at 10,000'. Unfortunately, she doesn't understand the difference between oxygen and air. Let's cut her a break though, we can't all be genuises. ;)
 
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