Rumor... NJA... Rumor

[BengalsFan]

I will preface this with RUMOR!

But an ex coworker of mine said that the new NJA proposal will include $75k starting and the 100 pilot domicles.

Anybody confirm or deny?

 

[RP170]

I will preface this with RUMOR!

But an ex coworker of mine said that the new NJA proposal will include $75k starting and the 100 pilot domicles.

Anybody confirm or deny?

Yes. Refer to the other threads here talking about NetJets first year pay.

 

[RP170]

Try this:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=103916

 

[FLYLOW22]

I will preface this with RUMOR!

But an ex coworker of mine said that the new NJA proposal will include $75k starting and the 100 pilot domicles.

Anybody confirm or deny?

1st Year NJA Pay...

56K - 69K BASE PAY (prior to extra flying, OT, holiday, etc.) based on what schedule the F/O bids.

7n7, 15 day or 18 day.

Yes 100 crew bases.

5 Domilices would die.

 

[Geronimo4497]

So, has the other show dropped yet? There has to be some bad points to the IBB.

 

[Cavpilot]

So, has the other show dropped yet? There has to be some bad points to the IBB.

Pretty much everything else.

 

[brokeflyer]

It appears that ALOT will have be given up to get that money......

 

[skiandsurf]

It appears that ALOT will have be given up to get that money......

Add 95 new HBAs for all post-rat and future new hires. Pre-rats dont lose "what they have", in fact you can move every 30 days instead of once a quarter.

Health insurance...no change....still free.

We do lose medical for those older folks, there is some type of "grand fathering" a few guys that this might effect. What do they gain, they get a check for $35,000 , and if they put into the 401k, the company will match 50%. Who needs insurance when Billary will take care of you.

To get that bigger paycheck, you will have to work more days. 15 day or 18 day schedules, this is to be expected.

Still have the 3 week vacations, if on the 7n7. I think its 15 day vaca on the other scheds.

going to company credit card.....some say this is as good as using your own....I am not sure about this.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Add 95 new HBAs for all post-rat and future new hires. Pre-rats dont lose "what they have", in fact you can move every 30 days instead of once a quarter.

Health insurance...no change....still free.

We do lose medical for those older folks, there is some type of "grand fathering" a few guys that this might effect. What do they gain, they get a check for $35,000 , and if they put into the 401k, the company will match 50%. Who needs insurance when Billary will take care of you.

To get that bigger paycheck, you will have to work more days. 15 day or 18 day schedules, this is to be expected.

Still have the 3 week vacations, if on the 7n7. I think its 15 day vaca on the other scheds.

going to company credit card.....some say this is as good as using your own....I am not sure about this.

Can't speak as to many of the issues Ski raises, but....

We have been on the company GE Capital Gains Mastercard for years now. Max of 40,000 points per year. Points begin to expire after three years. Everything goes on your card including airlines. Redemption is pretty easy (once you navigate the voice prompts: "If you wish to book a ticket, press 1 now. If you have pressed 1, press 2 now. If you have pressed 2 and still wish to book a ticket, press 1 now.") Just booked a ticket last week. 60,000 points for 1 round trip.

I know there are many larger issues at work here but that's the company credit card deal if it remains the same as NJI and it makes a difference to you.

Still waiting to see a summary of the other sections posted here since we don't have access to crew ops.

 

[brokeflyer]

we can sit here and debate this forever but the point is the new guys knew about the 5 domiciles when they got here......that was the job, its not something the company changed after they were hired.

The cost of the thinhs that are given up is too great. More so because the company can give HBA's to all WITHOUT negotiating with the union. This whole IBB is a hustle that, if it passes, we will be kicking ourselves until 2016...

 

[notaNJApilot]

is there any language in the TA that allows for more IBB in a few years?

 

[imacdog]

The cost of the thinhs that are given up is too great. More so because the company can give HBA's to all WITHOUT negotiating with the union.

I think most people know that will never happen.

 

[illinipilot]

we can sit here and debate this forever but the point is the new guys knew about the 5 domiciles when they got here......that was the job, its not something the company changed after they were hired.

I'm sick and tired of this logic. We also knew what the pay was like when we started, does that mean we should never work to get raises, and just hope that the company, out of the goodness of their heart, will increase our compensation?

By the way, there would be no limit on the maximum number of points if we all use the GE card.

 

[CRJFlyer]

A major difference between this contract extension and Eagles lengthy contract is that atleast everyone here will be receiving a livable wage.. At eagle the FO's are stuck at 40-50K for a never ending amount of time. Although I'll admit that 2016 is a long long way away. It's still not the same as Eagle.

when I accepted this job pay was 46K for reserve sched. Things were going to be very tight especially if we have a kid this year or next. (my wife is in the airline world so she would most definitely have to quit) With this new pay proposal she can find a normal job at home(although with less pay) and we will still make more money as a family.

 

[SAEflyer]

If it goes to 2016, the company has to follow a list of rules about 10 pages long that all benifit us. Not such a bad deal.

 

[Cavpilot]

Health insurance...no change....still free.

Not exactly...you may want to reread section 24.1(A) again.

 

[Buddro]

If it goes to 2016, the company has to follow a list of rules about 10 pages long that all benifit us. Not such a bad deal.

Something along the lines of SCOPE!!!!

Can you say JOB PROTECTION.....?

IF the company elects to extend the contract we all get pay raises as well as NJA is required to do 85% of all transoceanic flying (Basically we merge with NJI). How's that for scope?

 

[CE750Driver]

If it goes to 2016, the company has to follow a list of rules about 10 pages long that all benifit us. Not such a bad deal.

One of which is NJI and NJA are merged.

 

[NJA bound]

Not exactly...you may want to reread section 24.1(A) again.

Read it, don't understand it. What will we have to pay?

 

[RP170]

Read it, don't understand it. What will we have to pay?

I heard retirement health bennies will be gone? Is that maybe what he's talking about?

 

[illinipilot]

Other provisions of extending the contract: the company will need to open 10 additional domiciles, and pay a cost of living increase (3.5% I think although can't remember just this second).

Personally I think the coolest thing about this whole contract, is in the scope section it says something about SSJBs only being flown by NJA. Yeah Buddyimp: .

 

[CRJFlyer]

"If it goes to 2016, the company has to follow a list of rules about 10 pages long that all benifit us. Not such a bad deal."


Can you post some of the things? The more people are informed the better. Thanks.

What are the sig. changes in health care?

 

[Buddro]

I heard retirement health bennies will be gone? Is that maybe what he's talking about?

Yes, no changes for the current pilots other than retirement benfits are no longer paid for after 20 YOS.

 

[Buddro]

"If it goes to 2016, the company has to follow a list of rules about 10 pages long that all benifit us. Not such a bad deal."


Can you post some of the things? The more people are informed the better. Thanks.

What are the sig. changes in health care?

Retirement benefits are no longer paid for by company.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Something along the lines of SCOPE!!!!

Can you say JOB PROTECTION.....?

IF the company elects to extend the contract we all get pay raises as well as NJA is required to do 85% of all transoceanic flying (Basically we merge with NJI). How's that for scope?

Oh, you merge with us? Cool. I always thought we were supposed to merge with you. I'll break out the stapler

Sarcasm Alert

 

[niteflyr]

LOL, now that is funny Gutshot! I needed that. the official union site is way to serious and out of control right now!

 

[Buddro]

Oh, you merge with us? Cool. I always thought we were supposed to merge with you. I'll break out the stapler

Sarcasm Alert

I set myself up for that one....Too little sleep.

You catch the drift though....DOH for all. Have you seen the VSL yet?

 

[gutshotdraw]

I set myself up for that one....Too little sleep.

You catch the drift though....DOH for all. Have you seen the VSL yet?

An 1108 friend is supposed to e-mail it to me but hasn't yet. Our management's take is "there's nothing new here." Yeah, right.

We also don't have access to the full IBB proposal. Is there specific language vis-a-vis merger?

 

[Diesel]

We have been on the company GE Capital Gains Mastercard for years now. Max of 40,000 points per year. Points begin to expire after three years. Everything goes on your card including airlines. Redemption is pretty easy (once you navigate the voice prompts: "If you wish to book a ticket, press 1 now. If you have pressed 1, press 2 now. If you have pressed 2 and still wish to book a ticket, press 1 now.") Just booked a ticket last week. 60,000 points for 1 round trip.

I've been on both. I'd rather have my own card than the company card. 40k GE points is crap. 150k minimum in Hilton points. Now we're talkin.

 

[Go Fly]

Medical benefits change

If the company decides that the other employees, including management, will have to start paying premiums the pilot group would also then have to start paying premiums. The current CBA protects us from having to pay anything toward the premium.