Flexjet Response to NJA new offer:

[doylehargraves]

Let's here some guesses on what Management at Flexjet will say to the following pay proposals at NJ! (Other than, "Don't worry about what NJ is doing.")

Funny, a 1 year FO on a 15 day(28 days less work than Flex), will make more than a 3rd year captain at Flex. I hope Flex will step up to the plate since we just had our best year ever.

Quick summary.
7n7
1st year Capt/FO 87500/56875
5 year Capt/FO 100408/68276
10 year Capt/FO 119254/81081

15 day scedule
1 year Capt/FO 96250/62563
5 year Capt/FO 110449/75105
10 year Capt/FO 131179/84189

18 day scedule
1 year Capt/FO 106444/64188
5 year Capt/FO 122147/83060
10 year Capt/FO 145072/98635

 

[Club ORD FO]

yeah, that is a HUGE difference in pay. not only will we not get any new hires, but a lot of new people will bail out for there.

add in the difference in benefits, QOL, bases.... wow.

 

[netjetwife]

And there's more...

Don't forget the one time signing bonus of $150 per month on property.... I do hope that the new pay scale (if ratified) will help raise the bar at the other fracs. Just look how far the NJA pilots have come since they stood up for themselves. IBB represents the respect the Union has earned and it reflects what can be accomplished by working together. Best of Luck to those at the table and those turning in cards or mulling over the decision. NJW

 

[NJAPLT]

"A rising tide lifts all boats."
~President John F. Kennedy
Remarks in Pueblo, Colorado, August 17, 1962

 

[Wiggums]

Don't forget no 4am wakeup calls either.

 

[doylehargraves]

The bottom line here is that the challenger scale at Flexjet should be the Lear scale and the challenger scale should be bumped up. I honestly think management will give us a raise come February, as they did last time; however, it will come in the form of less work days and a little bit of a raise. We will still work more days and make less than NJ; flexjet will always tag along, they will never rise above.

 

[On Your Six]

My guess based on history: Flex mgmt could say, "Don't let the door hit you in the tailpipe on the way out..." However, that would be a terrible short-term strategy if that happens.

I would expect a bunch of Flex pilots to apply immediately and some will depart. I would imagine XOJet will likely pick up departing Flexjet and Flight Options pilots too after announcing their recent big orders of Xs and CL300s and their competitive wages/fixed schedule.

Flex and CS will have to do something or risk losing out on hiring/retaining the future "quality" pilots their owners expect. The rising tide should lift all boats - or at least that is the theory...

 

[T-1GUY]

The real question is what will options management do??? This is the final death blow for options....

 

[Club ORD FO]

wow... I'm getting close to upgrade, but even after reaching captain pay, I can switch over to NJ and make about the same. Plus, I'll be able to live where I want.

tempting....very very tempting.... I hope Flexjet comes out with something soon. we need better pay, 1 more day off a BP, and at least 10 gateways.

 

[bluepost]

Now why would you settle for that....10 cities? Only 1 more day off?

 

[doylehargraves]

Flex and CS will have to do something or risk losing out on hiring/retaining the future "quality" pilots their owners expect.

Our Chief Pilot will give the same response he always has to this, "attrition has been X percent since I've been here, it will never change regardless of what NJ is doing, it's the nature of this business."

 

[skyismyoffice]

The real question is what will options management do??? This is the final death blow for options....

They will do what they've always done - NOTHING! They will wait until it's too late. I'm really starting to think the doors will close within a year.

 

[japhy]

Our Chief Pilot will give the same response he always has to this, "attrition has been X percent since I've been here, it will never change regardless of what NJ is doing, it's the nature of this business."

He'll have to do something. Why would anyone come to Flex now??? I'm pretty happy at Flex and even getting close to upgrading and wasn't even thinking about leaving. This news entered the thought into my head and it hasn't even been voted in yet.....

 

[SDCFI]

Since we're all talking about leaving Flex has anyone had firsthand experience with someone leaving prior to the end of their contract? If this thing passes at NJA and we (Flexjet) don't see a significant improvement I'll be one of the ones looking to defect. I've been here less than a year so I'd definitely be flaking on the contract thingy. Thoughts?

 

[Club ORD FO]

Since we're all talking about leaving Flex has anyone had firsthand experience with someone leaving prior to the end of their contract? If this thing passes at NJA and we (Flexjet) don't see a significant improvement I'll be one of the ones looking to defect. I've been here less than a year so I'd definitely be flaking on the contract thingy. Thoughts?

More than half my new hire class left within the first year, one to NJ. none were asked to pay up.

And bluepost, as far as settling...well, touche. But, we are a smaller company, so I don't think 100 crew bases would be needed to satisfy our group. And, NJ is the one doing all the work (as in they put in the time/effort to unionize/negotiate/lead the industry in pay), so if we came close, but just shy, that would be fine with me.

 

[dime line]

More than half my new hire class left within the first year, one to NJ. none were asked to pay up.

And bluepost, as far as settling...well, touche. But, we are a smaller company, so I don't think 100 crew bases would be needed to satisfy our group. And, NJ is the one doing all the work (as in they put in the time/effort to unionize/negotiate/lead the industry in pay), so if we came close, but just shy, that would be fine with me.

Your a real follower, nice, guess we have to deal with that in this world

 

[Club ORD FO]

"your?" eh? what are you talking about? that is business as usual in this industry. One company gives a raise, the others follow. One airline increases fares, the others follow.

 

[bailey3083]

Lets just wait and see if it passes.

Bailey

 

[xpdriver]

Lets just wait and see if it passes.

Bailey

good point!! i saying about 65% just because of the money>>

 

[bailey3083]

good point!! i saying about 65% just because of the money>>

Anyone who has been there more then 5 years is really not gaining anything so the question is are there enough junior guys to get it passed.

Bailey