For Those About to Vote/Not Vote ALPA At SkyWest...

[jea]

Sir-

I suggest you get your head out of the sand and off the island. Acutally, no one repsresents you at Skywest. But ALPA in fact does effect your career... you've just chosen duct tape over critical thought and democracy.

When ALPA, on Capitol Hill, influences federal legislation that effects ALL Air Line pilots, you better believe that ALPA represents you. The problem is....you have chosen to...put your head in the sand...

The false consciousness is truely amazing....

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1.a Marxist theory that people are unable to see things, esp. exploitation, oppression, and social relations, as they really are; the hypothesized inability of the human mind to develop a sophisticated awareness of how it is developed and shaped by circumstances.​

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as an island person you are claiming to know about complex issues on the other side of the world...

Are there FFDO's at SKWY? Thank ALPA.

On line jumpseating after 9/11. Thank ALPA.

Is SKYW immune from BK? the recent push for BK reform to protect airline employees..thank ALPA.

The recent win to obligate the TSA to give airline workers dedicated and seperate airport access..thank ALPA.



Got integrity? Then reject this small sample of ALPA advances and see how you like flying jets..

Got integrity? then apply to only non ALPA, non union carriers for your career.

Explain the SWA factor... SWA makes unions partners in their success. So maybe its more than just ALPA... maybe its your management?

why thank you sir... I am here because alpa is not. should alpa somehow come on property- I may look elsewhere for employ- or just continue my side work. I have always been self employed and proud of it. I have done well. I am at skywest because I love flying. I dont intend on flying the jet- I prefer props. I intend to stay non union- or in house (SWA) thank you for challenging my integrity.

should i thank alpa for the internet too? oh no that was al gore

 

[Medeco]

why thank you sir... I am here because alpa is not. should alpa somehow come on property- I may look elsewhere for employ- or just continue my side work. I have always been self employed and proud of it. I have done well. I am at skywest because I love flying. I dont intend on flying the jet- I prefer props. I intend to stay non union- or in house (SWA) thank you for challenging my integrity.

should i thank alpa for the internet too? oh no that was al gore

Wow, What a true representation of the ME/MINE generation.

Its one thing to be an individual. I truely believe in that.

But, your lack of willingness to open your eyes to basic hard facts, that help to allow you and others fly at SKYWEST is simply shameful.

I'd be willing to bet you scrolled right past the 120T post as soon as you saw it was going to inform you in a way you CHOOSE not to hear and see.

Apparently, a large portion of SKYWEST pilots cant handle facts?

Medeco

 

[Medeco]

someone At Skywest Needs To Post The Entire 120t Fact Sheet On All Crew Rooms At Skywest.

medeco

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Probably, if the union gets in here it will be the worst place to be anyway.

It will be funny watching all those with ALPA stickers on their flight case peeling them off because management sees them as a target.

If management here is so wonderful, how is it possible that they would be so shortsighted as to attack and target employees instead of trying to work together to come to a mutually acceptable contract???

 

[jea]

Wow, What a true representation of the ME/MINE generation.

Its one thing to be an individual. I truely believe in that.

But, your lack of willingness to open your eyes to basic hard facts, that help to allow you and others fly at SKYWEST is simply shameful.

I'd be willing to bet you scrolled right past the 120T post as soon as you saw it was going to inform you in a way you CHOOSE not to hear and see.

Apparently, a large portion of SKYWEST pilots cant handle facts?

Medeco

i see your point. i did read it though. I believe the trade off is not worth it. I dont see alpa doing much for ASA, mesa or other regionals. I have been at an alpa regional before. I am happy here- without alpa

 

[EBE]

why thank you sir... I am here because alpa is not. should alpa somehow come on property- I may look elsewhere for employ- or just continue my side work. I have always been self employed and proud of it. I have done well. I am at skywest because I love flying.

Lots of people love to fly. You know you can rent a cessna. Not all of us have "side work" or the time for it. For many of us this is our livelyhood and we want it to be the best it can be. If ALPA coming on property is a reason for you to leave....good riddance.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

It doesn't matter what is said, 120T and the like, will never be happy. If alpa gets in, he will be pissed with the typical poor first contract developed. Then he/she will be pissed that it will be 10 years down the road to get another. There will always be something that pilots like 120T want to be totally pissed about and blame on others so as to take them away from the real problems of their personal lives.

But it comes down to the same for ever pilot at SkyWest, their own one vote.

Either vote for alpa or don't vote at all, simple.

You are so wrong about so many things! Many of us want to find a way to spend more time living our personal lives to the fullest(I have a great family and cherish every minute spent with them). We are tired of SAPA giving one concession after another without getting anything in return, and not really even trying to represent the pilot group anymore!


I have been here half a decade longer than you and find it sad and appalling that newhires flying a CRJ900(86 seat jet) don't make a whole lot more than I did when I was hired to fly a 19 seat turboprop 22years ago... can you think of one other place where employee productivity goes up by a factor of over 400%, and pay is actually less when corrected for inflation????

 

[zawillif]

Everyone talks about the economics of a union. I haven't seen much talk about if you (God forbid) f*ck up something and ALPA saves your job.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

CFIT must still be waiting for a script from SGU.

To get back to the meat of the subject though.
SAPA is ineffective. The only victory I've seen is the retraction of Mgt's pen stroke policy change on alchohol. Personally I think SGU just realized how much their mistake would fan representation flames and retracted it. Ok I'll give SAPA a little credit for pointing it out, but I think their true concern was job protection.

If there are any SAPA reps trolling here- you honestly wouldn't be in the position of defending yourselves if myself and others saw you stand up to SGU A L O T more often. Some might view ALPA as a necessary evil. As usual in the looming union drive we finally see percieved changes in QOL (sked+). If for no other reason- it takes a union drive to get you to do your elected job- I'll send a damn card in every 2 yrs.

 

[fatdumbandhappy]

My vote = NO, ALPA needs to fix thier own ship before boarding ours. (MESA, Trans States, Usairways, etc.). Please don't vote in a instant 2% pay cut.

 

[120% Torque]

Well folks it has become clear why our friend CFIT is so protective of his precious Sapa, at the expense of the majority (those outside the Sapa clan) of his fellow pilots. You will see I asked this individual above if he was a check airman and he dodged the question and mislead in true Sapa fashion by saying he was not a LCP. I then asked if he was in the training dept. He ignored that question all together. This guy is I'm sorry to report, a company lapdog. He IS tight with Brad Holt even to the point of defending the guy who has so many times went back on his word to the detriment of most skywest pilots.

CFIT is in the training dept and is a check airman. He is in bed with Brad Holt and has a nice thing going for HIMSELF. This individual defends HIS quality of life and HIS pay and HIS days off. He has been witnessed several time bragging about his check airman pay and the flexability it affords him. He uses his position in a round about way to threaten ALPA supporters. Please understand this guy is in this profession for himself and himself only. DO NOT EVER go to battle thinking this guy has got your back under any circumstances. Just at that point in battle when you really need him you will turn around and he will be gone. He's a selfish, company branded, sell you under the river kind of guy period. I wont tell you his name right now (you can PM me) but it rhymns with Ike Fencer. Nuff said?!

If you know who this is and how he so many times has defended even the most outlandish actions by management you will know why all this anti alpa rhetoric adds up to nothing more than pure greed and smoke and mirrors to protect the lifestyle (that most skywest pilots will never share because of guys like him) he enjoys as a maggot to our industry and pilot group.

 

[120% Torque]

A recent quote from CFIT:

"I have worked around Brad many times, given him check rides, and can say that he has done a very good job of balancing the company standpoint and the pilots needs."

Is this the way most Skywest pilots see Brad? Does it concern you at all that this guy is a part of Sapa, the organization that is supposed to represent you? See any confilcts of interest when this guy is doing lunch with and getting paid directly by the guy who has acted in such bad faith with this pilot group?

Have many of you noticed this same thing with J Black and others who seem so out of touch with what representing the pilots means?

In summation SAPA sucks worse than ALPA and alot of the biggest anti alpa meatheads are protecting the lifestyle that sapa provides them and them alone.

 

[dumbidea]

OOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH NO YOU DIDNT!!!!!!!!

CFIT is in the training dept and is a check airman. He is in bed with Brad Holt and has a nice thing going for HIMSELF. This individual defends HIS quality of life and HIS pay and HIS days off. He has been witnessed several time bragging about his check airman pay and the flexability it affords him. He uses his position in a round about way to threaten ALPA supporters. Please understand this guy is in this profession for himself and himself only. DO NOT EVER go to battle thinking this guy has got your back under any circumstances. Just at that point in battle when you really need him you will turn around and he will be gone. He's a selfish, company branded, sell you under the river kind of guy period. I wont tell you his name right now (you can PM me) but it rhymns with Ike Fencer. Nuff said?!

If you know who this is and how he so many times has defended even the most outlandish actions by management you will know why all this anti alpa rhetoric adds up to nothing more than pure greed and smoke and mirrors to protect the lifestyle (that most skywest pilots will never share because of guys like him) he enjoys as a maggot to our industry and pilot group.

 

[Medeco]

i see your point. i did read it though. I believe the trade off is not worth it. I dont see alpa doing much for ASA, mesa or other regionals. I have been at an alpa regional before. I am happy here- without alpa

DUDE,

The Jury is still out on ALPA and ASA. ALPA national has provided ASA MEC with $4million to fight this battle. And it is still going on.

Jerry and friends are playing the NMB card to the best of their ablility. It may be good or it may not.

BOTTOM LINE, if you guys dont vote in AlPA at SKYWEST, then you have not only screwed yourselves, but youve screwed ASA pilots, and you screwed every other pilot in the industry.

ALPA does so much more that is intangible, you have not even begun to thing that deep.

OPEN YOUR EYES, do some research.

Medeco

 

[PBRstreetgang]

1. and ive been here for 2 years... you can now say how i dont know the industry ill change my mind... ive been in the business long enough... i knew the pay and work rules when i took the job.. SkyWest is and will always be better than most alpa regionals. you cannot argue that.. alpa is a poweless dying artifact of the way things used to be.


continue hating... oh and who do i thank for the lunches?

You are still a $ack of canine fecal material!

 

[skyhogg]

If there are any SAPA reps trolling here- you honestly wouldn't be in the position of defending yourselves if myself and others saw you stand up to SGU A L O T more often. Some might view ALPA as a necessary evil. As usual in the looming union drive we finally see percieved changes in QOL (sked+). If for no other reason- it takes a union drive to get you to do your elected job- I'll send a damn card in every 2 yrs.

Alot of the SAPA guys care deeply about the state of affairs at Skywest and got into SAPA to try to effect change. I've spoken with them personally about their frustrations in trying to get things done.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH THEY STAND UP TO MANAGEMENT. SAPA is a smokescreen designed to make it seem to the pilots that they have representation and to placate them. People need to stop blaming SAPA and take responsibility for themselves.

SAPA was created by and is funded by management. Management dictates what is given and when and no amount of "standing up" to them will change this.

 

[SkyNation]

Management dictates what is given and when and no amount of "standing up" to them will change this.

this is true with ALPA as well. anyone who thinks that ALPA will come on board and start dictating to SGU is living in fantasy land.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

My vote = NO, ALPA needs to fix thier own ship before boarding ours. (MESA, Trans States, Usairways, etc.). Please don't vote in a instant 2% pay cut.

It is tax deductable.....

Besides you get to join a professional organization.

Does the SAPA have a code of ethics? One of the definitions of a professional is a code of ethics.

Please offer a critical analysis of the benefits of ALPA in WashDC that SKYW pilots enjoy....if you can.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

this is true with ALPA as well. anyone who thinks that ALPA will come on board and start dictating to SGU is living in fantasy land.

You're right. But with ALPA you get to particapte in democracy. With SAPA and Jerry its take it or leave it....

As an American I support democracy! What do you support?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

why thank you sir... I am here because alpa is not. should alpa somehow come on property- I may look elsewhere for employ- or just continue my side work. I have always been self employed and proud of it. I have done well. I am at skywest because I love flying. I dont intend on flying the jet- I prefer props. I intend to stay non union- or in house (SWA) thank you for challenging my integrity.

should i thank alpa for the internet too? oh no that was al gore

Glad the custodians of the profession can make a nice opportunity for you.... what are you doing to help?

Managment likes guys like you because you come and go freely... Whenever it becomes too much for you...you bail out. Not dedicated. Hobby jobs are nice.... I guess, I don't know... I've always been a dedicated professional. Jerry likes a new guy at first year pay that will replace you. That means inexperienced guys who don't understand the politics of Air Line Pilot Careers keep coming in.