For Those About to Vote/Not Vote ALPA At SkyWest...

[bmpilot2003]

I think both.

But I must admit I havn't talked directly with anybody directly involved.

I don't think he did what he is accused of and even if he did, I don't think he should have been fired.

Then go stand up for the poor guy! Since you're Brad's right hand man.

 

[jea]

People like you are part of the problem in aviation. Why don't you go back to your other job, while the rest of us try and improve this one!

An individuals sucess in aviation is the problem with the airline industry? You have no Idea what I have done prior to Skywest.... very very few people on this board do... Its easy to find out though- Ive heard its googleable- or just ask PBRstreetgang- he may know by now.

Of course i want to see return to some of the work rules I've heard of here at SkyWest. I wasnt here for the "Deal Brad an ace" I absolutely disagree with the company on what happened there... I just dont believe alpa will do it. Not saying sapa can either.

 

[bmpilot2003]

An individuals sucess in aviation is the problem with the airline industry? You have no Idea what I have done prior to Skywest.... very very few people on this board do... Its easy to find out though- Ive heard its googleable- or just ask PBRstreetgang- he may know by now.

Of course i want to see return to some of the work rules I've heard of here at SkyWest. I wasnt here for the "Deal Brad an ace" I absolutely disagree with the company on what happened there... I just dont believe alpa will do it. Not saying sapa can either.

You only have a half vested interest in this profession because you do not rely on it as your sole source of income. Thats the problem. 1st year first officers can legally apply for food stamps. I'm sure that didn't affect you though. By the way i don't care what you did before you came here, you could have created liquid fusion for all i care.

 

[USCtrojan]

An individuals sucess in aviation is the problem with the airline industry? You have no Idea what I have done prior to Skywest.... very very few people on this board do... Its easy to find out though- Ive heard its googleable- or just ask PBRstreetgang- he may know by now.

Of course i want to see return to some of the work rules I've heard of here at SkyWest. I wasnt here for the "Deal Brad an ace" I absolutely disagree with the company on what happened there... I just dont believe alpa will do it. Not saying sapa can either.

I've been in this business 11 years. This is my second Contract at ASA. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt NOTHING will be given to you. You have to FIGHT for it. Sitting on the fence and not making a decision is still a choice. Good luck to you. I hope you're given the work rules that I fought and fight for. I doubt it, however. ALPA will give you a legally binding agreement. That's reason enough. Good luck.

Trojan

 

[Gr82Aviate]

An individuals sucess in aviation is the problem with the airline industry? You have no Idea what I have done prior to Skywest.... very very few people on this board do... Its easy to find out though- Ive heard its googleable- or just ask PBRstreetgang- he may know by now.

Of course i want to see return to some of the work rules I've heard of here at SkyWest. I wasnt here for the "Deal Brad an ace" I absolutely disagree with the company on what happened there... I just dont believe alpa will do it. Not saying sapa can either.

So, what do you suggest besides continuing our slide????? Doing nothing is not a solution!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Why don't you call me using someone else's phone and don't idenitfy yourself?

Or is that still too scary for you?

Why don't you focus on the questions I have asked you to answer.....

 

[CFIT]

I didn't know you were asking me questions, what is it you would like to know?

 

[jayme]

I didn't know you were asking me questions, what is it you would like to know?

I asked you a couple. Maybe you can answer them now.

Why did SAPA agree to the bucket system for reserves? What did SAPA negotiate in return for the bucket system?

Why did SAPA agree to PBS? How much of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollar SkyWest saves on crew costs with PBS, did SAPA negotiate to be shared with the pilots?

 

[120% Torque]

Why don't you call me using someone else's phone and don't idenitfy yourself?

Or is that still too scary for you?

Is it too scary for you to do the job you were elected to do....to stand up to those who unjustly fired a 15 year veteran of skywest over a bunch of nonsensacle allegations? You are a so called represenative of Sapa arent you? I would suggest that if you want to talk with people on the phone that you spend that time talking to the management who have not been fair or equitable with the skywest pilot group. Only then might you gain some credability with those who you were tasked with representing. Capiesh?!

 

[CFIT]

I asked you a couple. Maybe you can answer them now.

Why did SAPA agree to the bucket system for reserves? What did SAPA negotiate in return for the bucket system?

Why did SAPA agree to PBS? How much of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollar SkyWest saves on crew costs with PBS, did SAPA negotiate to be shared with the pilots?

Truthfully I am not too familiar with the bucket system to know of all of its effects.

Sapa spent nearly 2 years working with management and the developer making it what it is today. There are a number of pilots within our group that spend enourmous amouts of time working on refinements of the software and services. A survey that had over 70% pilot group participation voiced that they were in support of PBS and that a strong majority indicated that given the choice to return to hard lines they prefered PBS.

I don't know how many years you spent with the old system, but even if you were very senior if you wanted weekends off and a subsequent wednesday you were kinda screwed if there were insufficient reserves.

 

[jayme]

Bucket system screwed reserves. Period. As far as I know, we didn't get a dam thing in return.

I'm not debating the merits of PBS. The point is that management wanted it. We didn't ask for it. So when the company asked for it, did SAPA determine how it would benefit the company and negotiate a portion of the cost savings to be shared with the pilots?

 

[DX Rick]

Bucket system screwed reserves.

Explain what the "Bucket System" is. Thanks.

 

[120% Torque]

Explain what the "Bucket System" is. Thanks.

CFIT is getting the PBS confused with the bucket system. To start read this:

Issue: Proficiency flying “It is the unanimous consensus of the SAPA group that the company is practicing call-out methods that are not in accordance with the Crewmember Policy Manual. At the next Flight Ops. Meeting we will address reserve “proficiency” flying” and at the next meeting: Reserves being called out of seniority for “proficiency” reasons: General consensus was that this is in violation of the Crewmember Policy Manual. This topic to be discussed at the next Flight Ops. meeting….

Outcome: “Flight Ops management has agreed to cease the practice of assigning reserve trips upon any bases other than those defined in the Crewmember Policy manual. For those of you who might be confused, “The Bucket System” we have now IS proficiency flying, only with a different name. Sapa on the one hand unanimously agreed that proficiency flying is a violation of the so called policy manual yet later would go on to co-write this same basic protocol renaming it “the bucket system”. Its objective is to limit all reservists to below 75 hours. This could also be interpreted as a work rule change that decreases senior reservist ability to control their quality of life and a pay cut for those who historically tried to maximize their pay on reserve. There has been no direct benefit to the pilots for having this forced upon them. Not even a long call reserve that was originally touted by the Sapa Communications director as a possible gimme for allowing management this huge concession.”

Basically, prior to the bucket system a pilot with a bit of seniority could bid reserve, be the senior reservist and fly very little for the month. The upside was that if say he wanted to spend more time with his family or he had a major project like putting up a fence in his back yard he would have alot of hours at home, only really getting called as the emergency backup reserve when all other reserves were used. The down side was that he might make a few less dollars, banking only guarentee at 70 hours. At Skywest you could ask for "call last" and this was a very nice tool a pilot had at his disposal to give him flexibability in his everyday living situation.

On the flip side of this there were the guys looking to make extra money that were on reserve, not by choice. They would have their status listed as "call first" and were always called prior to the senior "call last" guy previously mentioned that was looking for more time off. It worked really well.

Enter Sapa. What was termed the "bucket system" was written and offered by sapa as a cost savings measure to the company. It was orignally sold as a temporary policy with no need to worry because it was only an experiment. Then it became perminent. All this with ZERO input from the line pilots. The guys such as CFIT who already got their days off and had a nice paycheck could care less. David Cain, the then comminications chair said sapa would try to get a long call reserve rule for givng management the bucket system. This didnt happen either. Ultimately, a wonderful tool that had been around for many years went away at the hand of Sapa, the group that was supposed to be representing the pilots. If you go back and look at the history of Sapa you will see this type of give and get nothing in return "bargaining" if you want to call it that is very typical.

More specifically the bucket system is a system used by scheduling to make all reserves fly out of seniority order and level the flying/payout. If a four day trip comes up and there is a jr reservist that has three days available to fly and a senior reservist with four days available, the senior guy get the trip regardless. Prior to the bucket system the jr guy would get the three days of flying followed by the next most jr guy avail for the last day. I understand the company likes to make as much money as possible and be as efficient as possible. Skywest was not going bankrupt however, making lots of money. The people within Sapa such as Tony Fizer who went on to become a chief pilot were all too ready to sign away whatever it took to prove THEIR loyalty to the company, at the expense, once again, of the average line pilot. It was totally unneccessary to give this work rule away with nothing in return.

 

[120% Torque]

On the subject of PBS, it has mostly been a windfall for the company. It allowed them to further reduce reserve staffing as they didnt need to have extra reserves at the end and beginning of the month when schedules ran together and trips needed to be covered. They sold it to the pilots as a good thing because lineholders could not be assigned as pseudo reserves during these "transition days" giving the pilot more protection to fly only what he bid. Enter PBS and the mysterious "CN" and "FN" "computer assigned" flying that the "company has no control over".....its all the computers fault. At least thats what some slightly nieve people thought until senior management basically admitted they could just CN extra flying on pilots schedules or allow pilots to pick it up at time and a half given the choice (this is when the company was really getting in a bind and the extreme CNing was going to be even more obvious). A clear indication of more deception from the top. But hey, the Sapa brotherhood are all friends with these guys so its all good right.

Certainly a sapa guy isnt going to say something to piss off his management mentors....his "sponsor" as it were to be a check airman or chief pilot some day. And now (with the above exception) pilots at skywest basically endure an all month transition where even the most senior pilot will find a "CN" trip on his schedule that he never bid for, a trip that would have been paid at time and half the old way by picking it up, but now the "Computer" did it and it becomes a normal part of this pilots schedule. Funny thing is these type of things happen on a weekly and sometimes daily basis now at skywest and all you will see from the Sapa guys is the feicies they serve up from their pedistal such as..... ALPA SUCKS! Alpa is evil, alpa cannot negotiate anything, alpa will be the death of us all. I might argue that sapa has already filled all these positions, at least until a majority of the pilots of skywest wise up and decide to start taking control of their career and thier future.

 

[CFIT]

Bucket system screwed reserves. Period. As far as I know, we didn't get a dam thing in return.

I'm not debating the merits of PBS. The point is that management wanted it. We didn't ask for it. So when the company asked for it, did SAPA determine how it would benefit the company and negotiate a portion of the cost savings to be shared with the pilots?

I do not have alot of background about the bucket system but there are reps that do.


As for PBS, the pilot group did actually initiate the move. I know all of you wont believe this, but the PBS program was started for pilot QOL. Get a running start for the dog pile, but that is the where it got iit's start. What some of oyu don't realize is that there pilots that spend tons of their own time to enhance the PBS system.