Great news story about us!!

[urflyingme?!]

And just so I don't sound adversarial, we can't afford to pay attention.

W

hilarious
skyw alpa now

 

[ex j-41]

If you were paying attention, he clarified that point. Unfortunately, as shown by your post, even those in our profession aren't paying attention.

W

I guess you just misunderstood what i was saying.
We need to stop broadcasting the fact that we make ie: $25/hr. Because it is misleading. The public and potential pilots see this as a windfall. So we must be careful to not say false truths.
The reality is that many many pilots make less than $25k/year. And having a TAFB of 350plus hours. Duty times in excess of 10hrs a day or 200hrs/month. Reality is we are working 50hrs a week.
Based on $25k/year this is $10.41/hr worked. I like to call it Time in Uniform. I know we get paid by the flight hour, but don't you do a walkaround? Take a shuttle van to the airport? Jepp updates? Go through security? ATIS? Checklists?....All before you are "on the clock".
OK some work more or less or whatever this is just a representation of how saying that you get paid $25/hr is misleading.

 

[JoeMerchant]

A high school graduate can become an RJ FO after 10 months at one of the "puppy mills". Can any other "profession" do that? Maybe we should address the qualification aspect of this? Just a thought....

If a 200 hour wonder spends 10 months learning how to sit in the right seat, then signs up to work for $20 per hour... I have little sympathy as that is part of the problem......

 

[Sticky]

If a 200 hour wonder spends 10 months learning how to sit in the right seat, then signs up to work for $20 per hour... I have little sympathy as that is part of the problem......

What does that have to do with pay? Although I don't like the idea of 10 month/200 hour FOs, it really has nothing to do with pay scales.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What does that have to do with pay? Although I don't like the idea of 10 month/200 hour FOs, it really has nothing to do with pay scales.

I guess you don't understand the law of supply and demand then..... If we tighten up on the requirements to occupy the right seat, the pay will come up accordingly.....

Based on their qualifications, one could argue that they are overpaid based on the qualifications....

Can you name any other profession that allows you to enter with such little experience? That is our problem and WE created it..... management is simply taking advantage of our failure....

 

[Way2Broke]

What does that have to do with pay? Although I don't like the idea of 10 month/200 hour FOs, it really has nothing to do with pay scales.

It has everything to do with pay scales. Business is supply and demand. When we run out of the 200 hr FOs maybe the CEOs will figure this out.

 

[Sticky]

I guess you don't understand the law of supply and demand then..... If we tighten up on the requirements to occupy the right seat, the pay will come up accordingly.....

Based on their qualifications, one could argue that they are overpaid based on the qualifications....

Can you name any other profession that allows you to enter with such little experience? That is our problem and WE created it..... management is simply taking advantage of our failure....

I guess you don't understand that supply/demand has nothing to do with 10 month/200 hour RJ FOs and low starting regional pay.

We all can remember when you needed THOUSANDS of hours with turbine time to get a chance to interview with a turboprop company. There were plenty of pilots willing to work for low starting pay.

Within the past ten years....there has been shortages and surpluses of pilots. Regional pay has remained low regardless. I'm sure we can all agree that 10 month pilot factories are not the best way to learn the skills to be a safe/knowledgeable/professional pilot. However, they are not reason for low regional pay. It is also not simply supply/demand. I'd be willing to bet even if the pilot supply dried up, the regionals would close down before increasing pilot pay to anything impressive.

The best example of this would be Russia. Very few pilots to spare....but the pay is still awful.

The airlines don't pay pilots, the passengers do. When the passengers won't or can't pay, we don't get paid.

It has everything to do with pay scales. Business is supply and demand...

For lawn services yes. The aviation industry is far too complex to be controlled by simple supply/demand. There are too many other factors.

The only when to change this is to artificially change the market (i.e. Union Actions)

 

[ex j-41]

I guess you don't understand that supply/demand has nothing to do with 10 month/200 hour RJ FOs and low starting regional pay.

We all can remember when you needed THOUSANDS of hours with turbine time to get a chance to interview with a turboprop company. There were plenty of pilots willing to work for low starting pay.

Within the past ten years....there has been shortages and surpluses of pilots. Regional pay has remained low regardless. I'm sure we can all agree that 10 month pilot factories are not the best way to learn the skills to be a safe/knowledgeable/professional pilot. However, they are not reason for low regional pay. It is also not simply supply/demand. I'd be willing to bet even if the pilot supply dried up, the regionals would close down before increasing pilot pay to anything impressive.

The best example of this would be Russia. Very few pilots to spare....but the pay is still awful.

The airlines don't pay pilots, the passengers do. When the passengers won't or can't pay, we don't get paid.



For lawn services yes. The aviation industry is far too complex to be controlled by simple supply/demand. There are too many other factors.

The only when to change this is to artificially change the market (i.e. Union Actions)

I agree, but will add that the passengers are getting what they paid for. Service is at an all time low. Everyday i hear "I am never going to fly XXX airlines ever again". When the airlines are saturated with passengers the prices and services will go up. I believe that is where we are today. Rock bottom and nowhere to go but up!

 

[CFI2766]

I agree, but will add that the passengers are getting what they paid for. Service is at an all time low. Everyday i hear "I am never going to fly XXX airlines ever again". When the airlines are saturated with passengers the prices and services will go up. I believe that is where we are today. Rock bottom and nowhere to go but up!

Optimistic, but not realistic.

In this commodity business, a new carrier would simply open up to offer new 'rock bottom prices.'

Southwest.

Jet Blue.

Airtran.

Skybus.

Virgin America.

All the 'lowest' price carrier of their time.

 

[CFI2766]

I do agree, however, that the aviation consumer really doesn't care about customer service, when compared to ticket price. Ticket price is the number one factor in determining travel choices.