Brazil TAM Airlines Flight 3054 CVR Released

[SEVEN]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070801/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane_crash

 

[bubbers44]

The pilot was having a difficult time reducing the #2 thrust lever to idle so the logic did not allow spoilers and auto brakes and may have increased the power on the #2 engine with the disabled TR according to other reports.

 

[Captain X]

The pilot was having a difficult time reducing the #2 thrust lever to idle so the logic did not allow spoilers and auto brakes and may have increased the power on the #2 engine with the disabled TR according to other reports.

Airbus?

 

[Desert1]

The pilot was having a difficult time reducing the #2 thrust lever to idle so the logic did not allow spoilers and auto brakes and may have increased the power on the #2 engine with the disabled TR according to other reports.

It certainly appeared so. The video showed the A/C appearing to 'power' down the runway. Still can't get the image of that older tape depicting the A-300 (?) plowing through the trees at that airshow in EU. Not a big fan of Airbus 'logic'.

D1

 

[FatesPawn]

The horrific details read before a congressional commission investigating air safety suggest mechanical failure or pilot error contributed to last month's accident in Sao Paulo, taking some heat off a government widely blamed for failing to improve the challenging runway, which pilots worldwide liken to landing on an aircraft carrier.

Phew! If I were the government, I'd feel much better now.

 

[mushroom]

It certainly appeared so. The video showed the A/C appearing to 'power' down the runway. Still can't get the image of that older tape depicting the A-300 (?) plowing through the trees at that airshow in EU. Not a big fan of Airbus 'logic'.

D1

A300 isn't smart enough to cause the France accident. I think that was when they were introducing the A320.

 

[Angus]

Well at least the media experts are on top of it.......

"In the recording the pilots report on the state of the aircraft braking mechanisms. "Reverser one only," one of them says, referring to the sole working thrust reverser. The reverser is used to slow down the aircraft's jet engine upon landing".

"No spoiler," the voice says, talking about the lower lip of an aircraft's wings that are turned downward to catch the air slowing the aircraft, which was also inoperable.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Now everyone get together and praise the fact that in this country, they can't just thow the CVR tapes to the news hounds.

Nu

 

[bubbers44]

I think another almost identical accident happened in Phoenix landing with one TR inop. They ended up going off the side of the runway with one in reverse and the other in high fwd thrust. Also might have been because the inop TR wasn't put all the way back to idle and the automation took over. Thank God Boeing AC don't do that.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

If they had selected MED autobrake for landing, with the spoilers not armed-- then the autobrake function would not activate. Automatic braking activates on the A-320 when the ground spoilers extend for LO and MED modes. This is not the first time something like this has happened in the A-320. I remember another incident very similar to this where an aircraft went off the end of a runway when their brakes didn't activate... There is however, the standard practice of using your own feet to override the automatic system though-- apparently, if it was used, it was used too late. Sometimes pilots rely too much on automation. Additionally, there usually is a penalty for landing distance if a reverser is inoperative-- whether or not this played a role in flight planning is yet to be determined.