Brazil TAM Airlines Flight 3054 CVR Released

[grog_sit_reserv]

The pilot went below 300 feet. The automation thinks its going to land. The pilot did not understand the automation of his ship.

Airbus logic stopped the pilot from a stall/spin and kept it straight. If anything, the planes saved lifes that day.

The pilot needs to know what his automation does. He could have saved everyone's life that day if he had.

 

[igneousy2]

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Washington, DC - The National Transportation Safety Board
today determined that the probable cause of a fatal runway
overrun at Chicago's Midway Airport was the pilot's failure
to use available reverse thrust in a timely manner to safely
slow or stop the airplane after landing. This failure
occurred because the pilots' first experience and lack of
familiarity with the airplane's autobrake system distracted
them from thrust reverser usage during the challenging
landing.

You are not supposed to have to use reverse thrust. This has been a "loop-hold" that many major airlines have been abusing for years and they finally got caught and the NTSB fell in line and pinned it on the pilots.

Later

 

[Say Again Over]

The pilot went below 300 feet. The automation thinks its going to land

Let's hope you aren't flying one with this knowledge.

 

[FR8mastr]

The pilot went below 300 feet. The automation thinks its going to land. The pilot did not understand the automation of his ship.

Airbus logic stopped the pilot from a stall/spin and kept it straight. If anything, the planes saved lifes that day.

The pilot needs to know what his automation does. He could have saved everyone's life that day if he had.

You made a really good point. The company test pilot did not understand this. Now that is some messed up logic, when a test pilot cant get the plane to do what he wants because of aircraft logic. Yes its true he made an error, but jeez, he had to me more knowledgeable than the average 320 guy.

I must disagree with your statement about the plane saving lives. We all know from windshear training you can fly thru the stick shaker right on the edge of a stall. The airbus will have logic preventing it from getting right to the edge. IE stall plus 10 kts for example. ( I dont know the exact numbers). If that pilot would have been allowed to trade that 10 kts for 10 feet he could have flown it out. It cant take very long for a lightly loaded 320 to gain 20 kts to get back to normal flying speed.

Not to mention firewall thrust. Does anyone know if this was available considering the AC thought it was landing?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Does anyone know if this was available considering the AC thought it was landing?

No, once you're inside 300' you can't go around. Only idle thrust is available. Well, until you land, then you have reverse thrust available. As a matter of fact, you can only hand fly fifi for five minutes or 10,000' which ever comes first. After that, the autopilot automatically engages.

 

[bubbers44]

It must be a bitch flying an approach to 200 ft and no runway if you are flying.

 

[Say Again Over]

No, once you're inside 300' you can't go around. Only idle thrust is available. Well, until you land, then you have reverse thrust available. As a matter of fact, you can only hand fly fifi for five minutes or 10,000' which ever comes first. After that, the autopilot automatically engages.

You MS simulator guys are killing me! :laugh: If you don't know it you just start making it up, funny.

 

[n757st]

You MS simulator guys are killing me! :laugh: If you don't know it you just start making it up, funny.

Calm down there Ace, I think he was making a funny.

 

[Say Again Over]

I'm laughing.

 

[j41driver]

...a "loop-hold"...

What's a loop-hold?

 

[SkiFishFly]

Someone used airbus and "logic" in the same sentence - now that is funny...
When you let engineers (who have never flown an aircraft) design and implement aircraft systems and "logic" you get an airbus.

 

[A350]

Positive rate:

Is not the A320 flight controls in direct mode until the aircraft is airborne? This gives the pilot direct control over the flight controls on the ground for crosswind inputs. That is why you can get full aft stick on the ground, but in the air it is limited to alpha floor.

A350

 

[Say Again Over]

That is correct, a Direct relationship to control inputs, officially Ground Mode.

 

[igneousy2]

What's a loop-hold?

"loop-hold" is a word someone types when there left middle finger is too lazy to go from the 'd' to the 'e' on a QWERTY keyboard while attempting to type the word "loop-hole"

 

[Green]

A300 isn't smart enough to cause the France accident. I think that was when they were introducing the A320.

That is one of the most misunderstood crashes out there. The pilot flying that A320 had the aircraft just above stall speed with the engines spooled down. All the logic did in that case was keep the aircraft from stalling by maintaining a pitch attitude just above the critical angle of attack. At the last minute the Captain (chief pilot) realized he was below the tree line and goosed the throttles to clear the trees. Anybody who flies jets understands that going from a low/back side of the power curve power setting to take off go around power takes time with a jet engine. Unfortunately the engines spooled up just as he made contact with the trees and if you watch the video you can hear it spooling up the last couple seconds.

The same thing would have happened in any Boeing plane. It was poor airmanship....

 

[Vspeeds]

Link!

Anybody gotta link addy to the Transcript?

Thanks

 

[aussiefly]

I remember reading somewhere that there was a question of the accuracy of the altimeters in that particular aircraft and that there was supposedly some conspiracy over retrieval of the boxes??

True/Not True ??

 

[CatfishVT9]

"loop-hold" is a word someone types when there left middle finger is too lazy to go from the 'd' to the 'e' on a QWERTY keyboard while attempting to type the word "loop-hole"

Don't make fun if you don't know how to spell "they're".