Who is the Pinnacle Captain denying Jumpseat??

[screwed_again]

I heard a 9E captain denied the jumpseat to a Mesaba guy trying to get home to DSM this weekend? Is this true? His excuse (as told by the FO who had to deliver the bad news to the pilot standing at the gate) was they did not have enough O2. Is that true. Not enough O2. Is this a common problem with the CRJ 200? What a tool...

 

[BoilerUP]

Is this a common problem with the CRJ 200?

If maintenance doesn't properly service the O2 when it gets used, then yes. I don't work for 9E but I had an airplane last week with the jumpseat on MEL because of a OXY LO PRESS caution message. Thankfully we didn't have to deny anybody for it.

The captain wasn't being a "tool", he was simply complying with FARs...

 

[ataopsdave]

If it was the afternoon MEM-DSM on Sunday then it was the captain...that guy is notorious for denying jumpseaters and using that excuse

 

[BoilerUP]

If it was the afternoon MEM-DSM on Sunday then it was the captain...that guy is notorious for denying jumpseaters and using that excuse

Well if that's the case then not only do I stand corrected, but that captain needs to be taken to the woodshed by his pilot group.

Bet Captain Jackass doesn't commute...the only people that look out for crews these days are our colleagues, and this guy needs to be reminded of that. Forcefully.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

If maintenance doesn't properly service the O2 when it gets used, then yes. I don't work for 9E but I had an airplane last week with the jumpseat on MEL because of a OXY LO PRESS caution message. Thankfully we didn't have to deny anybody for it.

The captain wasn't being a "tool", he was simply complying with FARs...

Instead of denying a jumpseater, why not call maintenance to come out and service the 02 so he/she could've been accommodated? Duh

 

[BoilerUP]

Instead of denying a jumpseater, why not call maintenance to come out and service the 02 so he/she could've been accommodated? Duh

That certainly is an option...but in our case Mx Control had already opted to simply MEL it because that was the easiest, cheapest thing for them to do. The disappointing thing about it is the airplane was just a day out of a service check in a mx base...:angryfire

Like I said, I'm glad we didn't have to deny anybody.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

That certainly is an option...but in our case Mx Control had already opted to simply MEL it because that was the easiest, cheapest thing for them to do. The disappointing thing about it is the airplane was just a day out of a service check in a mx base...:angryfire

Like I said, I'm glad we didn't have to deny anybody.

Just empty the 02 to whatever level is required so that it must be serviced anyway, regardless of a jumpseater being on board or not. Then the j/s will more than likely be accommodated.

mx control sux

 

[ChickenSled]

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[ReverseSensing]

That certainly is an option...but in our case Mx Control had already opted to simply MEL it because that was the easiest, cheapest thing for them to do.

Just because a discrepancy is deferred with an MEL doesn't mean the CA has to accept it. Nothing trumps the CA's right to refuse to accept an aircraft with discrepancies, even with valid deferrals.

BTW, I know you're not necessarily defending this person, just pointing out the facts, but I get a little weary of people who act like they have to accept an aircraft because, after all, the discrepancy in question is deferred.

 

[BOHICAgain]

I hope it was not the guy who denied the jumpseat to a NWA pilot on the last flight on christmas eve. Total tool. Couple of mainline captains take a look at my badge and take out a small paper and make sure im not on it

 

[wmuflyguy]

Instead of denying a jumpseater, why not call maintenance to come out and service the 02 so he/she could've been accommodated? Duh

Not sure about all airlines, but if we have to get the O2 serviced there can be no pax's on board. So if you find out you have JS'er 20 minutes prior with pax's already on board you are in a tough spot.

Generally we don't find out about a JS'er till after the boarding has begun. So MX control will just MEL the jumpseat, instead of taking a delay.

If it occurs at an outstation without MX, you have no choice.

 

[SplitBar]

According to the post on the XJ ALPA boards, it was a CASS issue and the Captain didn't want to be bothered with it so he sent the FO up to break the bad news. Wont name any names here but it sounded the norm for Capt Jacka$$.

 

[p3pilot71]

I'm a commuter and will do everything I can to help another guy out but refusing an aircraft that has a perfectly good/legal MEL seems a bit over the top to me.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Theres plenty of Jacka$$ at every airline, not just 9E. XJ has plenty of them that deny J/S for alot less.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I'm a commuter and will do everything I can to help another guy out but refusing an aircraft that has a perfectly good/legal MEL seems a bit over the top to me.

Just because an MEL is "perfectly good/legal" does not mean it is in the best interests of safety to operate with the discrepancy.

Ever try to operate manual pressurization in IMC with a deferred automatic controller? It's a deferrable discrepancy, i.e., "perfectly good/legal MEL." Is it an unsafe distraction for the the PNF? You bet.

How about a deferred autopilot/flight director with 6 legs in IMC on a 12 hour duty day? (I know, lots of planes don't have either, but you are accustomed to it.) It's a perfectly good/legal MEL, but not consistent with adequate margins of safety.

All perfectly legal deferrals are not a good idea. I don't care what management would have you believe.

 

[p3pilot71]

You're right. There are absolutely things you must consider with every MEL. My point is that it doesn't make much sense to delay a flight because you don't have enough O2 for the jumpseater. What would be your explanation to the Mx department for not taking the aircraft in that situation?

 

[pilotdiscretion]

Some 9E pilots are not commuters and still do everything we can to get jumpseaters on board.

 

[Flying Illini]

I've gotta say, I use Pinnacle and NWA mainline almost exclusively to get to work out of DTW. I have always been treated very well, whether in the front or the back. I've had crews go out of their way to get me on. I've always appreciated what they have done and it makes my commute a little less stressful.

Now, some of the gate agents in DTW (for Pinnacle)are another story altogether.

 

[Flybet3]

I heard a 9E captain denied the jumpseat to a Mesaba guy trying to get home to DSM this weekend? Is this true? His excuse (as told by the FO who had to deliver the bad news to the pilot standing at the gate) was they did not have enough O2. Is that true. Not enough O2. Is this a common problem with the CRJ 200? What a tool...

It was probably the same c*** sucker that gave me IOE a couple of years back. Some ex navy a$$hole.

 

[Ridgeback]

The Pinnacle captains intials are R.N. The reason was a Cass Issue on a full flight. Captain R.N. had his fo tell the xj Captain that cass denied him, R.N. checked it himself. XJ guy calls XJ to confirm this, XJ said all was ok. XJ pilot tells gate agent, gate agent tells XJ pilot that even if he did check it and it was ok, R.N. demanded he see it on the screen for himself. Agent goes down to plane, agent comes back tells XJ pilot that Captain R.N. will not come up and look....XJ pilot commutes home on FedEX 2.5 hrs later....confirming that his Cass status was OK.

A very lame and cowerdly way to deny a jumpseat

The XJ and 9E unions are working on this issue ASAP to stop any jumpseat wars...thanks to this guy Captain R.N.

 

[Top Gum]

If people would follow the checklist and actually check the O2 on shutdown and then write it up at base we would not have this problem outbase. I had the O2 serviced three times this week. It’s no problem to take care of this in base just like the book says. Once out of base it really is difficult to get it serviced when it’s well within limits for a crew of two.

 

[PCL_128]

If the initials of the Captain are either RN or HS, then it's not a surprise. Both guys have been denying jumpseats for years. RN even denies jumpseats for fellow Pinnacle pilots.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

R.N. also leaves the airplanes in a total mess. It was like an easter egg hunt with an evil sim check airman whenever I would take an airplane from him.

 

[i fly boxes]

I've gotta say, I use Pinnacle and NWA mainline almost exclusively to get to work out of DTW. I have always been treated very well, whether in the front or the back. I've had crews go out of their way to get me on. I've always appreciated what they have done and it makes my commute a little less stressful.

Now, some of the gate agents in DTW (for Pinnacle)are another story altogether.

those gate agents in DTW are mesaba employees, but if they were pinnacle they would probably do the same thing

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Somebody P.M me their names please.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

Just because a discrepancy is deferred with an MEL doesn't mean the CA has to accept it. Nothing trumps the CA's right to refuse to accept an aircraft with discrepancies, even with valid deferrals.

BTW, I know you're not necessarily defending this person, just pointing out the facts, but I get a little weary of people who act like they have to accept an aircraft because, after all, the discrepancy in question is deferred.

ha ha hahahahahahahaha ha ha ha,

you obviously don't work for peanuckle airlines ,,, captains authority? really? it just is not that simple anymore, welcome to deregulation.

 

[sinkrate]

Just because a discrepancy is deferred with an MEL doesn't mean the CA has to accept it. Nothing trumps the CA's right to refuse to accept an aircraft with discrepancies, even with valid deferrals.

If A CA refuses a flight because of a defered item MX will go to the dispatch supervisor and ask him - can this flight comply with all the MEL limitations? If the answer is 'yes' the CA better have a VERY good explanation. If he doesn't he just scheduled his next oral and PC in the next few days. If he is lucky it will be dealt with by the CP office with a suspension.

The CP office at Pinnacle does very strongly support CA authority on safety problems. However, they just as strongly discipline the few CA's that abuse it.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

I heard a 9E captain denied the jumpseat to a Mesaba guy trying to get home to DSM this weekend? Is this true? His excuse (as told by the FO who had to deliver the bad news to the pilot standing at the gate) was they did not have enough O2. Is that true. Not enough O2. Is this a common problem with the CRJ 200? What a tool...

The O2 problem is easily overlooked to accommodate the JS. (unless it is FAA) lol

This guy is an ass if that is the case.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

If A CA refuses a flight because of a defered item MX will go to the dispatch supervisor and ask him - can this flight comply with all the MEL limitations? If the answer is 'yes' the CA better have a VERY good explanation. If he doesn't he just scheduled his next oral and PC in the next few days. If he is lucky it will be dealt with by the CP office with a suspension.

The CP office at Pinnacle does very strongly support CA authority on safety problems. However, they just as strongly discipline the few CA's that abuse it.

That they support the captains authority, is the offical policy. Unoffically they will decide what that will be. By the way you misspelled Peanuckle.

 

[Way2Broke]

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