Alpa Executive Council Says No To AAA's Request To Vacate Arbitration Award.

[Wiskey Driver]

The ALPA executive council late last evening passed a resolution that denies the Airways East application to vacate the seniority award. The resolution states that barring any evidence of wrong doing on the part of the America West MEC they have no jurisdiction in overturning an award.

More to come later.

WD.

 

[eaglefly]

The ALPA executive council late last evening passed a resolution that denies the Airways East application to vacate the seniority award. The resolution states that barring any evidence of wrong doing on the part of the America West MEC they have no jurisdiction in overturning an award.

More to come later.

WD.

They couldn't if they wanted to.

The award is set in concrete for eternity and all that's left is the denial on the part of the U MEC.

Denial is a terrible thing as it encourages people to run from reality to the arms of fantasy where they live by themselves in their own world.

Fortunately, the U MEC is a small little world.

 

[JetMonkey]

I thought there was no decision yet by those spindless wankers.

 

[Sandhawk]

Does that mean they are going to present it to the company?

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Does that mean they are going to present it to the company?

There is no time frame to present the list being it is tied to a joint contract.

 

[FDJ2]

No big surprise. The EC acted correctly.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

There is no time frame to present the list being it is tied to a joint contract.

If ever there were a problem with this award it's that!!! having the award tied to a joint contract can and has presented a problem. I know for a fact that the east leadership has done a awful job of managing their pilots expectations. That's just poor leadership. That same leadership will no doubt cost these pilots anywhere from $25,000 to $40,000 per year with their hopless antics. The pilots on the east should be really upset with their leadership, no two ways about it. They sank the ship and now they are willing to sink the life boat. Poor leadership in deed...

WD.

 

[xrated]

Airways east responds to ALPA's finding.

http://www.tradebit.com/usr/big-fat-audio/pub/9003/crying-baby-fx--Lo-Fi-Preview-.mp3

 

[Wiskey Driver]

http://www.tradebit.com/usr/big-fat-audio/pub/9003/crying-baby-fx--Lo-Fi-Preview-.mp3

That is too funny!! Now that post belongs on usaviation.com

WD

 

[PCL_128]

No big surprise. The EC acted correctly.

I personally disagree with their decision, but it was theirs to make. Time to put this to rest now and for the two pilot groups to work together towards a contract.

 

[xanderman]

I personally disagree with their decision, but it was theirs to make. Time to put this to rest now and for the two pilot groups to work together towards a contract.

I wish it was going to be that easy. Somehow I don't think it going to go like that...

 

[Wiskey Driver]

I personally disagree with their decision, but it was theirs to make. Time to put this to rest now and for the two pilot groups to work together towards a contract.

Just how would you have handled it?? The arbitrator took into account all issues and protections!! The east was and continues to be greedy and wanted everything.

WD.

 

[Turtle21]

I personally disagree with their decision, but it was theirs to make. Time to put this to rest now and for the two pilot groups to work together towards a contract.

Shia and Sunni have better odds.

 

[PCL_128]

Just how would you have handled it?? The arbitrator took into account all issues and protections!! The east was and continues to be greedy and wanted everything.

WD.

Whiskey, we've been over this a thousand times. I agree with the East that the arbitrator did not follow ALPA merger policy because (in my opinion) the West received a windfall at the expense of the East. You disagree, so there's no use in us arguing this for 5 pages again. The EC has issued their decision. That should be the end of it. Unfortunately, I'm sure it's going to go on much longer in the courts, and that only hurts all parties involved.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

PCL 128 do you work for either airline?

 

[PCL_128]

PCL 128 do you work for either airline?

Nope. Just a former ALPA rep that's pissed off at how the Association is being torn apart by this crap.

 

[Turtle21]

Nope. Just a former ALPA rep that's pissed off at how the Association is being torn apart by this crap.

The Association is a Ponzi scheme whose time has come and gone.


A union that can't define seniority, but rather indulges itself the luxury of pawning it off on an arbitrator, doesn't serve any purpose but its own. Nor can it.

 

[FDJ2]

I personally disagree with their decision, but it was theirs to make. Time to put this to rest now and for the two pilot groups to work together towards a contract.

Just out of curiousity, do you disagree with the EC's decision or Nicolau's?

I agree, that it is long past due that this issue be put to rest, however I fully expect the East MEC to continue its efforts to try and gain some leverage, via any means possible, to force the West back to the table, but like I've said before that train has left the station.

This issue, I'm afraid, will be put to rest once the East comes to the realization that further desperate attempts to reopen negotiations is more harmful then accepting the arbitration decision they agreed to abide by, given by the arbitrator they agreed to have render that decision in the first place

 

[FDJ2]

Nope. Just a former ALPA rep that's pissed off at how the Association is being torn apart by this crap.

PCL, keep it in perspective, the Association is not being torn apart by this decision, the Association has weathered far worse storms than this. Yes there are 4,500 or so upset East pilots, but that was not the doing of the Association. JMHO, but the East MEC bungled this integration horribly, not the Association.

 

[PCL_128]

Just out of curiousity, do you disagree with the EC's decision or Nicolau's?

Both, actually. I believe that Nicolau didn't adhere to ALPA merger policy and handed the West a major windfall by not including sufficient fences in the award. I also believe that the EC should have recognized this and determined that the award was invalid due to the arbitrator not adhering to the required provisions of the policy. Of course, this is all a matter of opinion and interpretation, so I can understand the EC coming to a different conclusion. It's certainly not an easy situation.