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ALGFLYR

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The July 9th US Airways recall class had 10 former CEL pilots. 6 were assigned to the Airbus, 1 assigned to 737 and 3 assigned to the 190.

Additionally, there were 2 A-330 slots that went to the 2 most senior pilots in class (prior ML). There were also 2 no-shows for this class.

No former CEL pilots has been placed into a Group I (757/767) or the 330 yet. However, there is another class July 16th that will probably change this...
 
Most of the Airbus positions were PHL. I think 3 were LGA. The 737 was PHL and of course the 190 and 330's were PHL
 
Are they done with this latest 130ish recall yet? Last I heard was that they were back up to Aug '99. I haven't received a poop letter yet at July '99 and would prefer it to stay away as long as possible.
 
Swayzee..
I e mailed Charmane today and she said it is about 100 numbers from me. We were in class together. I don't know if that is 100 or total or 100 excluding the frozen and already accepted. She said to get back in touch next week. I also read a new bid might come out friday that would start at the top again.
 
Who are the CEL pilots please?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I second the request from The General.

Also, any rumors, info or news about the poolies being called up?
 
ALGFLYR said:
The July 9th US Airways recall class had 10 former CEL pilots. 6 were assigned to the Airbus, 1 assigned to 737 and 3 assigned to the 190.

Additionally, there were 2 A-330 slots that went to the 2 most senior pilots in class (prior ML). There were also 2 no-shows for this class.

No former CEL pilots has been placed into a Group I (757/767) or the 330 yet. However, there is another class July 16th that will probably change this...
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I guess you guys never heard of the saying "be careful what you wish for...." then,huh? Good luck.

PHXFLYR:cool:
 
ALGFLYR said:
The July 9th US Airways recall class had 10 former CEL pilots. 6 were assigned to the Airbus, 1 assigned to 737 and 3 assigned to the 190.

Additionally, there were 2 A-330 slots that went to the 2 most senior pilots in class (prior ML). There were also 2 no-shows for this class.

No former CEL pilots has been placed into a Group I (757/767) or the 330 yet. However, there is another class July 16th that will probably change this...
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How disappointing for that guy. He has had the luxury of flying a real nice, advanced glass cockpit in the E170 and now he has to return to a geriatric, dial-filled, poorly painted, beat-up 737. Sure, the pay is probably marginally better, but I am sure he will be missing those moving maps soon enough.....
 
johnsonrod said:
How disappointing for that guy. He has had the luxury of flying a real nice, advanced glass cockpit in the E170 and now he has to return to a geriatric, dial-filled, poorly painted, beat-up 737. Sure, the pay is probably marginally better, but I am sure he will be missing those moving maps soon enough.....
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Are you actually serious?
 
PCL_128 said:
Are you actually serious?
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Yes, I am dead serious. Maybe that's just me. You can't tell me that wouldn't be an initial shock to the system to go backwards in time. Leave the dials to the jaded, older guys who grew up with them ("I remember flying the 707 and I had a ball..."). I have thousands of hours in an ERJ - I appreciate glass and the situational benefits it provides and I would rather move forward than backwards. Those USAirways East 737s don't have EFIS (thank God they at least have rudimentary FMS) unlike the AWA 737-300 versions as far as I know. The East 737s are dinosaurs and I, personally, would not be thrilled if I had to fly one of those vs. an A320. But again, that is just me and you are probably different. Good for you.
 
I'll take a steam Boeing or Douglas product any day over a french plastic jet. But to each his own, I guess.
 
johnsonrod said:
personally, would not be thrilled if I had to fly one of those vs. an A320. But again, that is just me and you are probably different. Good for you.
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I'd fly the one with the bigger paycheck!!! Who really gives a shi$ what it is!!

In the end its not the Airbus or the Boeing paying your bills...... Its the Paycheck!!
 
johnsonrod said:
Yes, I am dead serious. Maybe that's just me. You can't tell me that wouldn't be an initial shock to the system to go backwards in time. Leave the dials to the jaded, older guys who grew up with them ("I remember flying the 707 and I had a ball..."). I have thousands of hours in an ERJ - I appreciate glass and the situational benefits it provides and I would rather move forward than backwards. Those USAirways East 737s don't have EFIS (thank God they at least have rudimentary FMS) unlike the AWA 737-300 versions as far as I know. The East 737s are dinosaurs and I, personally, would not be thrilled if I had to fly one of those vs. an A320. But again, that is just me and you are probably different. Good for you.
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Yes, it is just you. You've never flown a Boeing or a McD, that's why you think like that. I can almost guarantee you'll change your mind once you've flown one of them!

5000+ hrs of LRD "Little Round Dial" time and lovin' it!

73
 
johnsonrod said:
Yes, I am dead serious. Maybe that's just me. You can't tell me that wouldn't be an initial shock to the system to go backwards in time. Leave the dials to the jaded, older guys who grew up with them ("I remember flying the 707 and I had a ball..."). I have thousands of hours in an ERJ - I appreciate glass and the situational benefits it provides and I would rather move forward than backwards. Those USAirways East 737s don't have EFIS (thank God they at least have rudimentary FMS) unlike the AWA 737-300 versions as far as I know. The East 737s are dinosaurs and I, personally, would not be thrilled if I had to fly one of those vs. an A320. But again, that is just me and you are probably different. Good for you.
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You have got to be kidding right? This whole SJS is the reason the industry is in such a sh!t slide down to the bottom. SA you say? Its your job to know where the heck you are in the sky at all times.... I guess the plane makers have made it so easy that junior with some baron time can jump in there, be baby sat for a year or two and then upgrade to get his magical 1000 pic turbine and then cry about how he's not getting an interview even though he/she is soooooo qualified.......

sorry for the rant, but dammmmmm it's guys with mentality like yours that think skybus and VA are a good place to be, because of the experience in a bus.......

I left an A320 after 4 years and went to Delta Express in the 737-200 and had the best time of my life. Actually fly an airplane again....wow....what a concept, have a scan again....wow.... what a concept. And for your information there was glass ALL OVER the cockpit of that 737-200..... what the heck do you think is covering that round dial? Liquid gold?....

So you flew a 707 eeehhhh? I would imagine that you would have proudly put that right next to your baron time if that were true..... or was that for your eagle interview:rolleyes::rolleyes:.
 
Networ-King said:
I left an A320 after 4 years and went to Delta Express in the 737-200 and had the best time of my life. Actually fly an airplane again....wow....what a concept, have a scan again....wow.... what a concept.
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I agree. I think the modern technology like you see on a 170 or 190 is creating a bunch of automation cripples. Give me an older airplane with steam gauges any day.

Best airplane I have ever flown is still the 707.
 
Networ-King said:
You have got to be kidding right? This whole SJS is the reason the industry is in such a sh!t slide down to the bottom. SA you say? Its your job to know where the heck you are in the sky at all times.... I guess the plane makers have made it so easy that junior with some baron time can jump in there, be baby sat for a year or two and then upgrade to get his magical 1000 pic turbine and then cry about how he's not getting an interview even though he/she is soooooo qualified.......

sorry for the rant, but dammmmmm it's guys with mentality like yours that think skybus and VA are a good place to be, because of the experience in a bus.......

I left an A320 after 4 years and went to Delta Express in the 737-200 and had the best time of my life. Actually fly an airplane again....wow....what a concept, have a scan again....wow.... what a concept. And for your information there was glass ALL OVER the cockpit of that 737-200..... what the heck do you think is covering that round dial? Liquid gold?....

So you flew a 707 eeehhhh? I would imagine that you would have proudly put that right next to your baron time if that were true..... or was that for your eagle interview:rolleyes::rolleyes:.
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Networ King,

Sounds like J-Rod was quoting someone else - he was mocking someone bragging about flying the dials in the 707. Next time you should re-read what he said before slamming him. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Wsurf,

You wouldn't care about flying a 737 because it would be a technological upgrade for you in the Dash 8. If you had some decent glass time maybe you would understand how some people actually appreciate the situational awareness benefits it affords you. You forget that most kids these days grow up with sophisticated simulators and computers - they are less adept at reading dials and therefore less comfortable. You can't blame JR - it is just his opinion.
 
On Your Six said:
Networ King,

Sounds like J-Rod was quoting someone else - he was mocking someone bragging about flying the dials in the 707. Next time you should re-read what he said before slamming him. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Wsurf,

You wouldn't care about flying a 737 because it would be a technological upgrade for you in the Dash 8. If you had some decent glass time maybe you would understand how some people actually appreciate the situational awareness benefits it affords you. You forget that most kids these days grow up with sophisticated simulators and computers - they are less adept at reading dials and therefore less comfortable. You can't blame JR - it is just his opinion.
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Aahhh yes.....

Did reread it and I did take that the wrong way.... guess thats what happens at 8 am..... I did mean to slam you, but I was wrong about the 707 flying, I did mean to slam you about your SJS problem though, so..... there ;)..... nevertheless....the mentality of the new age is what gives the public the "bunch of monkeys just pushing buttons up there anyways" mentality. And ... I don't think its gonna get any better. Oh well... thank gaawwd for freight.

We now return you to your regular scheduled FI programming....... sorry for the thread hijacking....
 
Girls Girls Girls!

Please, and airplane is an airplane is an airplane.

You girls need to join a debate club, not argue on the internet.
 
General Lee said:
Who are the CEL pilots please?


Bye Bye--General Lee
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The Combined Eligibility List contains the names of pilots of the USAirways Group Wholly owned express commuters. This excludes the J4J pilots. This list was put together to allow for flow up to mainline during the J4J process.
Some pilots from Allegheney/Piedmont moved up to MidAtlantic on this list. These pilots were then placed on the USAirways seniority list when MDA was placed on the USAirways certificate.
When these CEL pilots were furloughed from MDA they were placed on the Affected Pilots List. The APL contains the names of all furloughed USAirways pilots.
The LOA creating the J4J protocol stated that any pilots moving up to MDA from the CEL were to return to their carriers if furloughed. However that never happened as stated above.
So these pilots have been labeled CEL Pilots to provide distinction from the furloughed pilots and current wholly owned express pilots.

Hope this clears things up a bit GL.f
RF
 
I'll take a steam Boeing or Douglas product any day over a french plastic jet. But to each his own, I guess.
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Why don't you hold off on that opinion until you actually get some time in something other than a turboprop or barbie jet sparky...
 
Filkster said:
The Combined Eligibility List contains the names of pilots of the USAirways Group Wholly owned express commuters. This excludes the J4J pilots. This list was put together to allow for flow up to mainline during the J4J process.
Some pilots from Allegheney/Piedmont moved up to MidAtlantic on this list. These pilots were then placed on the USAirways seniority list when MDA was placed on the USAirways certificate.
When these CEL pilots were furloughed from MDA they were placed on the Affected Pilots List. The APL contains the names of all furloughed USAirways pilots.
The LOA creating the J4J protocol stated that any pilots moving up to MDA from the CEL were to return to their carriers if furloughed. However that never happened as stated above.
So these pilots have been labeled CEL Pilots to provide distinction from the furloughed pilots and current wholly owned express pilots.

Hope this clears things up a bit GL.f
RF
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Awesome, someone who provides information that is useful!

Thanks!
 
To prefer glass in an EMB vs. a steam 73 is like saying you'd prefer lipstick on a pig to a voluptuous, enthusiastic woman! Or maybe my memory is just clouding along with my sanity.

Anyhoo....

KF, did she say they were finished with the recalls for now? Hope all is well with you. BTW, I'd have upgraded at ASA recently had I stayed, but at least I can finally hold a decent FO line at Eagle! Doh! You goin' back to U?
 

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