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Ace McCoy said:
It's the same way at Northwest too. Doors closed and brakes released is considered an out time.
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Yeah, we used to do that at PCL, so we'd pop the brake as soon as the door closed, then reset it.

If the door's closed, we should be getting paid. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, we should be getting our hourly rate from the second we duty-on, but I know that won't happen.

I just don't understand what we're getting back for a concession that runs 3-5 minutes every single flight you go over "core value" on... If we have to go to an industry average like that, fine, just compensate me for it somewhere else.

We're not hurting for cash, we're making money, there's no reason to give concessions.
 
KQRdr said:
Wanna talk to your NPA BoD member on Flightinfo.com?

BFL370 = RD = BoD Chair.

Enjoy.
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We've been speculating on that. Current theory was that BFL370 was either senior management in MCO (because we know at least 2 of them read this board), or one of the BOD members who supported the T.A.

I had a pleasant conversation with RD last week, even with the T.A. being the elephant in the corner. I've talked to or had lunch/dinner/beers with 2 or 3 of the BOD members in the past year. Even AP presents very well, is very personable, and I'm sure is a great CA to fly a trip with. So when I say I mean no offense, I REALLY MEAN there's no offense intended, it's not personal, just the business of our careers.

But none of them have been able to explain to me just what's so good about this T.A. The alternative, staying at current book and going back in to negotiate it, is simply better than what they're proposing.
 
Your village called . . . . they want their Idiot back

KQRdr said:
Wanna talk to your NPA BoD member on Flightinfo.com?

BFL370 = RD = BoD Chair.

Enjoy.
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Spoken like a true idiot.

Most of us who have been on this board for any period of time (9 years, in my case) know who the AirTran guys are . . . . . and BFL370 ain't RD.
 
hehe don't hate, Ty :)

RD = FLB717 and everyone knows that, including company.

He created BFL370 a while back to hide from company and now (rightfully so) from fellow pilots. If you ever heard the guy speak live, (and I know you have) it’s unmistakable.
 
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I think you're mistaken. I would have told RD he'd look good in a cell next to Paris, not Parker :laugh:

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Just finished a 4 day trip. I talked to every pilot I exchanged airplane with and none said they would vote yes. In fact same went on in the crew room 3 times I was there. Other than Special Ed and BoD guys I'm yet to meet one person who will vote yes for this TA.

This thing will die huge.

Ed are you BFL370 ?
 
If you receive e-mail updates from the NPA, expect to see the dates of the election posted sometime this week.
 
My 3 Voting Criteria.

1. Good for me individually.
2. Good for the company.
3. Good for the Pilot Group as a whole (including the new-hires and new hired yet to arrive).
 
Newhire Question: Am I reading this right?

1. This contract really cuts new hire pay scale back to 2003 level.
2. Under this TA, new hire pilots will have to wait another Month until they're eligible for health coverage

*I always thought that it would be a great move by the company to provide health coverage starting at date of hire for all pilots. "We're really glad you're here ar AirTran, so when you're in training, don't worry if someone in your family gets sick or injured, because you and your family have access to health coverage starting right now!" I always thought this would be a very classy move for both the company and the NPA.

My son broke his hand playing football while I was in Miami for training. Under the current contract, my son was covered under AirTran's health coverage. Under the new TA, I would have had to make other arrangements, likely upping my stress level alot more than it did.

Maybe I'm completely in the minority with this one, but taking care of the newhires is an important thing to me.
 
You read correct, kemosabe.

An extra month of not having to pay insurance for new-hires, along with the draconian pay cut for 1st year pilots and regional airline reserve rules.

It's nice to see other guys not willing to sell their new-hires out for small gains in pay like other airlines have done. Hopefully we continue to remember the lessons of other airlines...
 
I overheard one senior captain in the crewroom state that he is voting yes because he want to get the signing bonus before he retires. Since there will not be a new aggreement before his last flight. I guess he would rather have the signing bonus than medical coverage.
 
Unless he has medical insurance through his spouse, that's pretty stupid.

The signing bonus maxes out at $7,937. divided by 48 (the number of months you would have no co-premiums paid by the company under the new T.A. before being eligible for Medicaire), gives you $165.34.

I guarantee you that COBRA rates are higher than $165 bucks a month for a 60+ year old guy, even in decent shape.

Maybe he didn't understand the medical insurance concessions,,,?
 
Steeler Fan said:
Maybe I'm completely in the minority with this one, but taking care of the newhires is an important thing to me.
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I'm with you on this one. No way can I talk my friends into coming over here with what is in the TA, or anyone else for that matter. If we want quality people here then we should take care of the newhires. At least give them what we have currently.
 
Anybody get time off for their TA No Way tags yet ?
 
That not saying much..... better looking than FLB717 ?
 
Lear70 said:
Unless he has medical insurance through his spouse, that's pretty stupid.

The signing bonus maxes out at $7,937. divided by 48 (the number of months you would have no co-premiums paid by the company under the new T.A. before being eligible for Medicaire), gives you $165.34.

I guarantee you that COBRA rates are higher than $165 bucks a month for a 60+ year old guy, even in decent shape.

Maybe he didn't understand the medical insurance concessions,,,?
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Don't overlook one important fact, all bonuses are taxable at 47% under IRS rules unless there is a provision - set up by the company - to put it into our retirement. Last I heard the company is not going to provide that option, so take 47% from your bonus check before you count on it!

$7937 equates to about $4206. (I guess it's true that everyone has his price, I would have hoped this guys' was not so low - oh well).
 
Gentlemen and Ladies,

I just returned from the roadshow and here are a few things I picked up:

1)NPA is saying that Company asked no less that 6 times to start a 30 cooling off period and the arbitrator said no. Went on to claim the company wanted to get 30 days over with and then impose work rules because they think the pilots won't strike.

2) They are also claiming that if we don't vote yes and the MEH deal goes through company will shift assets to more profitable side of house - MKE and we won't see any growth in ATL.

3) They were caught off guard with several of our questions and did a lot of tap dancing without giving any substantial information in the way of answers.

I did get the impression the MS doesn't like this anymore than the rest of us but voted for it to get people riled up. He is P.Oed that our pilots have been sitting on their hands up to now. He said he couldn't get more than 150 volunteers to do informational picketing. Since the TA came out the list of volunteers has grown to over 300.

Only about 7 people showed up from 9 AM - 1PM. Not a great turnout.

Overall, not much was said that wasn't covered in the bullet points. A bit of a waste of time. It turned into a gripefest. I don't think anyone's minds were changed from a "no" vote by the information given today.
 
AFcitrus said:
Gentlemen and Ladies,

I just returned from the roadshow and here are a few things I picked up:

1)NPA is saying that Company asked no less that 6 times to start a 30 cooling off period and the arbitrator said no. Went on to claim the company wanted to get 30 days over with and then impose work rules because they think the pilots won't strike.

2) They are also claiming that if we don't vote yes and the MEH deal goes through company will shift assets to more profitable side of house - MKE and we won't see any growth in ATL.

3) They were caught off guard with several of our questions and did a lot of tap dancing without giving any substantial information in the way of answers.

I did get the impression the MS doesn't like this anymore than the rest of us but voted for it to get people riled up. He is P.Oed that our pilots have been sitting on their hands up to now. He said he couldn't get more than 150 volunteers to do informational picketing. Since the TA came out the list of volunteers has grown to over 300.

Only about 7 people showed up from 9 AM - 1PM. Not a great turnout.

Overall, not much was said that wasn't covered in the bullet points. A bit of a waste of time. It turned into a gripefest. I don't think anyone's minds were changed from a "no" vote by the information given today.
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Very, Very, Very unlikely that the mediator,at this point in negotiations would declare an impasse and call for a thirty day cooling off. Additionally, I don't believe that they would be able to operate MEH as a separate company on the same certificate. This has been discussed before by people with more knowledge than me on this subject. What concerns me though is that our union leadership doesn't seem to know any of this and are executing a "hasty retreat".
 
Are union doesnt seem to have a clue to what can take place. The fact that they are trying to scare the pilot group into voting for this is amazing. This is same crap that went on at brand X airline. I just hope these guys are not getting some huge signing bonus for this crap TA. They seemed to have done a complete 180.
 
Citrus, thanks for all your help and work going and representing the "other side" of the equation with our pilots. This information needs to get out there to the pilot group.

I can't say as I'm surprised the company asked for release into self-help. I also can't say I'm surprised the company believes this pilot group would roll over. For the record, I disagree with them 100%. Also, for the record, a work stoppage is the LAST thing that I want, but if it has to happen to get the company to understand they can't push this piece of garbage over on us, then so be it. They make that decision, they reap what they sow.

The NPA needs to be putting that information out to the pilot group to get the pilots good and angry that the company thinks so little of us. Respect is a two-way street and is absolutely REQUIRED between employer and employee; it's a shame they're taking this stance. I really and truly thought I was past all that when I hired on here. :(
 
Statements I'm hearing from the "yes" side:

"I'd like the raise now so the money can start compounding. You know how that works."

"You'll get 12 days off on reserve."

"With the Golden Days Off on Reserve, there really aren't that many days that they can call you up and move your days on."

"The core block is to help the Company with its DOT on time rate to attract the business customer."

"The cut inpay due to work rule changes is offset by the
2% contribution to the 401K."

"The more I listened to the roadshow, the more I started to like the TA."

"The supplemental allowance covers the lack of per diem increase."

Yikes!

I know there's a minority out there that will vote for this TA but I have to give credit to a lot of people who've been here 10+ years who see this is not a good deal for the pilot group as a whole and also know we can do better for ourselves .
 
Murphy said:
"The core block is to help the Company with its DOT on time rate to attract the business customer."
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How is that supposed to work? If the company wants a better DOT on time all they need to do is increase the block time. So I'm curious how they are trying to spin this one.
 
Ace McCoy said:
How is that supposed to work? If the company wants a better DOT on time all they need to do is increase the block time. So I'm curious how they are trying to spin this one.
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If you have to give a John Kerry answer to a question, it's most definitely not something you want to live uner.
 

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