AirTran Road show Pairings

[BFL370]

Went to the road show today, and CK had the new TA pairings available. Sits still are around but they seems to be shorter. A lot more variations on 2, 3 and 4 day trips. The days with flying under our current 4 hour min duty was VERY small. But the increase in flying per day was VERY serious. 3 days worth around 20 hours and 4 days with 25 to 28 hours wow, some not al. They looked good to me, better than what we have now. The average duty period didnt look that much longer than now. Oh and with a 1:2 the CDO's seemed to pay better that just the 4 hour duty period. Go check it out and decide for yourselves. The documentation was for a full month and not just a straw pole.

 

[T3700]

Nothing in the contract requires the company to use that set up for the pairing generator. If it's not written in the contract, there is no guarantee we will actually see those pairings in real life. If the kind of pairings you saw were as advantageous for the company as for us, why not commit to it in the contract?

 

[j41driver]

Is there any language that requires the company to build lines like that? Nope.

 

[BFL370]

Are we paranoid. Look the numbers and settings are what is in the computer. Those rigs drive the numbers not JT with a evil leer. Your right it is so not in the companies interest to fly you, it so much better to hire more pilots so they can make you sit in the hotel. Go look and ask questions. I have had some history with these things in the past so your fears are unfounded im my opinion. But go look dont just take my word for it.

 

[SLEDNECK]

Went to the road show today, and CK had the new TA pairings available. Sits still are around but they seems to be shorter. A lot more variations on 2, 3 and 4 day trips. The days with flying under our current 4 hour min duty was VERY small. But the increase in flying per day was VERY serious. 3 days worth around 20 hours and 4 days with 25 to 28 hours wow, some not al. They looked good to me, better than what we have now. The average duty period didnt look that much longer than now. Oh and with a 1:2 the CDO's seemed to pay better that just the 4 hour duty period. Go check it out and decide for yourselves. The documentation was for a full month and not just a straw pole.

Remember how well the SAP II LOA went? With this new TA, they have the ability to control not only SAP II, but SAP I as well. So, if we cancelled the LOA because it was a complete nightmare and ultimately making the SAP II process useless, how did it find it's way into the TA? To me this is the best part of our current contract and I can't believe that there's no mention of it, like they're trying to sneak it past us. As an FO, I cannot see ONE single improvement that overrides any, let alone all of what we are going to give up. The worst 3 months I had here in terms of QOL was because of that SAP II BS. You may not have noticed if you were in an airplane that was fat on pilots, but in 717 FO's seat, you couldn't SAP anything.

BFL370, IF their intentions are to make such great schedule, then why not PUT IT IN WRITING? Why not say that 80% of all 3 day trips will be constructed with greater than 20 hours of block or something similiar? What they're telling you doesn't mean anything if it's either not written at all, or just implied. The reserve system couldn't be any worse and the company has to be both laughing their butts off, and praying that we sign this POS. The 2 for 1 is the only thing that could be considered as an improvement, not hardly enough to outweight the cons here.

 

[BFL370]

Guys just go look and ask questions, dont just stick your heads in the sand and scream so you dont have to listen. GO TO THE F_N SHOW, its YOUR JOB use you mind and ask questions if you dont like it say so in person and let the NPA know. This isnt rocket science. Ive seen the pairings and asked the questions, it looks good. So enjoy your current 4 hour sit in BWI while you think how bad it could be to sit RR in and out station, oh wait never mind they would pay you to sit in a hotel and get PD vs sit in your crash pad.

 

[DCitrus9]

I already fly 20hr 3 days and 27hr 4 days under the current contract. What changes suddenly "allow" the great pairings? I would bet it is a change in the pairing machine that has nothing to do with our contract, and that will be changed back as soon as this POS gets voted in.
I already have 8hrs of flying plus a 2-3hr sit within a 12hr duty day, another hour of duty only helps the company with a longer sit somewhere.
The pay cut known as average duty period removes any incentive for the company to build efficient trips. If they intended to build them how you like them, they would have no problem leaving the pay guarantees in place.
The list goes on...
In short, all of these changes are a regression to the previous contract, which had terrible pairings with low pay. Expect 2 days more work to get the same pay.

 

[Ty Webb]

Go check it out and decide for yourselves. The documentation was for a full month and not just a straw pole.

Are you out of your mind? You fell for that dog-and-pony-baloney?

Still believe in the Tooth Fairy? The Easter Bunny hopping up the trail to your house?

Allow me to break it to you gently . . . . this ain't SWA. This is not the type of progressive management that can be counted on to "do the right thing". They can't even be counted on to do the smart thing. What they CAN be counted on is to be wasteful when given wide latitude, and to be deceitful and under-handed.

Vote as you wish, but if you are a 717 pilot, you better hope you can jump to the 737 before you get junior-assigned the 100-seater. Take a gander at those pay rates, because that's the future of this contract.

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[BFL370]

Well my Tybert, get your head out of the Hustler and power down the Media player with the gay porn and understand it is not the 717 guys who could be hosed but you and me, becasue if the 717 is replaced (would take years) you could also see the senior guys would go to the 737 and 717s to Midwest and you and me will be E190 FO's or Capts on reserve. That is just as plausable but possible under this contract and we could do NOTHING about it. That is a fact, but think as you will.

 

[Ty Webb]

There is way too much bad stuff in this contract to even consider it as anything near viable, but you have not articulated a situation whereby a 737 CA can be be displaced from his seat.

Can't be displaced unless there is a reduction. . . . or did Skipper give that away, too? Someone needs to get that fool a new SIDA badge and a fresh PC and show him the way to Concourse C.