AirTran Road show Pairings

[Lear70]

It's the same way at Northwest too. Doors closed and brakes released is considered an out time.

Yeah, we used to do that at PCL, so we'd pop the brake as soon as the door closed, then reset it.

If the door's closed, we should be getting paid. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, we should be getting our hourly rate from the second we duty-on, but I know that won't happen.

I just don't understand what we're getting back for a concession that runs 3-5 minutes every single flight you go over "core value" on... If we have to go to an industry average like that, fine, just compensate me for it somewhere else.

We're not hurting for cash, we're making money, there's no reason to give concessions.

 

[KQRdr]

Wanna talk to your NPA BoD member on Flightinfo.com?

BFL370 = RD = BoD Chair.

Enjoy.

 

[Lear70]

Wanna talk to your NPA BoD member on Flightinfo.com?

BFL370 = RD = BoD Chair.

Enjoy.

We've been speculating on that. Current theory was that BFL370 was either senior management in MCO (because we know at least 2 of them read this board), or one of the BOD members who supported the T.A.

I had a pleasant conversation with RD last week, even with the T.A. being the elephant in the corner. I've talked to or had lunch/dinner/beers with 2 or 3 of the BOD members in the past year. Even AP presents very well, is very personable, and I'm sure is a great CA to fly a trip with. So when I say I mean no offense, I REALLY MEAN there's no offense intended, it's not personal, just the business of our careers.

But none of them have been able to explain to me just what's so good about this T.A. The alternative, staying at current book and going back in to negotiate it, is simply better than what they're proposing.

 

[Ty Webb]

Your village called . . . . they want their Idiot back

Wanna talk to your NPA BoD member on Flightinfo.com?

BFL370 = RD = BoD Chair.

Enjoy.

Spoken like a true idiot.

Most of us who have been on this board for any period of time (9 years, in my case) know who the AirTran guys are . . . . . and BFL370 ain't RD.

 

[KQRdr]

hehe don't hate, Ty

RD = FLB717 and everyone knows that, including company.

He created BFL370 a while back to hide from company and now (rightfully so) from fellow pilots. If you ever heard the guy speak live, (and I know you have) it’s unmistakable.

 

[Ty Webb]

I think you're mistaken. I would have told RD he'd look good in a cell next to Paris, not Parker :laugh:

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[Fly-By-Cable]

Just finished a 4 day trip. I talked to every pilot I exchanged airplane with and none said they would vote yes. In fact same went on in the crew room 3 times I was there. Other than Special Ed and BoD guys I'm yet to meet one person who will vote yes for this TA.

This thing will die huge.

Ed are you BFL370 ?

 

[Ty Webb]

Other than Special Ed and BoD guys I'm yet to meet one person who will vote yes for this TA.

And THAT, Ladies and Gentlemen, pretty much sums it up.


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[DougCorp-9]

IF we ever get to vote!

 

[Steeler Fan]

If you receive e-mail updates from the NPA, expect to see the dates of the election posted sometime this week.

 

[Steeler Fan]

My 3 Voting Criteria.

1. Good for me individually.
2. Good for the company.
3. Good for the Pilot Group as a whole (including the new-hires and new hired yet to arrive).

 

[Steeler Fan]

Newhire Question: Am I reading this right?

1. This contract really cuts new hire pay scale back to 2003 level.
2. Under this TA, new hire pilots will have to wait another Month until they're eligible for health coverage

*I always thought that it would be a great move by the company to provide health coverage starting at date of hire for all pilots. "We're really glad you're here ar AirTran, so when you're in training, don't worry if someone in your family gets sick or injured, because you and your family have access to health coverage starting right now!" I always thought this would be a very classy move for both the company and the NPA.

My son broke his hand playing football while I was in Miami for training. Under the current contract, my son was covered under AirTran's health coverage. Under the new TA, I would have had to make other arrangements, likely upping my stress level alot more than it did.

Maybe I'm completely in the minority with this one, but taking care of the newhires is an important thing to me.

 

[Lear70]

You read correct, kemosabe.

An extra month of not having to pay insurance for new-hires, along with the draconian pay cut for 1st year pilots and regional airline reserve rules.

It's nice to see other guys not willing to sell their new-hires out for small gains in pay like other airlines have done. Hopefully we continue to remember the lessons of other airlines...

 

[doer42]

I overheard one senior captain in the crewroom state that he is voting yes because he want to get the signing bonus before he retires. Since there will not be a new aggreement before his last flight. I guess he would rather have the signing bonus than medical coverage.

 

[Lear70]

Unless he has medical insurance through his spouse, that's pretty stupid.

The signing bonus maxes out at $7,937. divided by 48 (the number of months you would have no co-premiums paid by the company under the new T.A. before being eligible for Medicaire), gives you $165.34.

I guarantee you that COBRA rates are higher than $165 bucks a month for a 60+ year old guy, even in decent shape.

Maybe he didn't understand the medical insurance concessions,,,?

 

[RadioClash]

Maybe I'm completely in the minority with this one, but taking care of the newhires is an important thing to me.

I'm with you on this one. No way can I talk my friends into coming over here with what is in the TA, or anyone else for that matter. If we want quality people here then we should take care of the newhires. At least give them what we have currently.

 

[BFL370]

I am sooooooo much better looking than FLB717.

 

[mnboyev]

Anybody get time off for their TA No Way tags yet ?

 

[mnboyev]

That not saying much..... better looking than FLB717 ?

 

[Ace McCoy]

Maybe I'm completely in the minority with this one, but taking care of the newhires is an important thing to me.

Well there's at least three of us now. What kind of quality will we attract with this TA? I really don't want to find out.