AirTran Pilots, Informational Picketing!!

[Ty Webb]

Can't do that, violation of Section 6 of the RLA.

This was CAREFULLY ORCHESTRATED by management . . . .
Our hands are, effectively, tied until after the vote on the T.A.

Another strategy failure by AP. How anyone could have been convinced to announce the TA before the AAI Shareholders meeting, and close the TA Vote after the MEH meeting, is beyond me.

 

[Lear70]

or suck it up and pay the $20,000 fine.

I'm on 2nd year F/O wages, what bong are YOU smoking?

there is always leaking a summary of the TA to a reporter and asking them to report it. write to senator kohl. talk to MEH ALPA and use ALPA's AFL-CIO pull in washington, etc.

You know, all of that would be GREAT,,, if it would help us.

The only thing it would gain us, now that the TA is on the table, is p*ssing off everyone involved. It is the worst missed opportunity I've seen yet, and I've seen 3 HUGE ones in just the year I've been here.

AP doesn't have what it takes to properly run a union.

all i'm saying is they, mgmt, could care less about ATL "picketing" versus MKE targeted "picketing".

Agreed. Need to choose our picket locales VERY carefully, such as MKE, our brand new cities we just opened, etc. Hurt 'em in their pocketbook, that's the only way to get their attention.

 

[Lear70]

Another strategy failure by AP. How anyone could have been convinced to announce the TA before the AAI Shareholders meeting, and close the TA Vote after the MEH meeting, is beyond me.

We, as pilots, are simply outclassed at the bargaining table.

We like to think we can be all things to all people, and we may have the intelligence to do so, but not the training or experience.

There may be a few people inside our pilot group who could level the field SOMEWHAT, but they are either not interested in participating or have angered the pilot group in the past by their behavior, or they're tools, which makes things very difficult.

I'm probably in group #3, I know... Gotta preempt that before someone puts it out there for me.

 

[CitationLover]

I'm on 2nd year F/O wages, what bong are YOU smoking?

well i would imagine the NPA would be assessed a fine for picketing in the wrong, not you.


$20,000/1500 can be afforded on a 2nd yr FO. (now i am smoking that bong) hey don't worry 4yr CA pay is right around the corner!! (you want a hit?)

 

[Lear70]

Heh heh...

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Not just "Heh heh",

it's "Heh heh, are you going to eat those, Heh heh"

 

[Clyde Frog]

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[75M]

Since this thing got bumped up I thought I would pass along what I've heard. MS was in the crew room today and he said that only 30 (or so) pilots signed up for informational picketing.

Unfortunately, that doesn't go a long way to give the NPA confidence that we'll back them up if they needed to make a move.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Since this thing got bumped up I thought I would pass along what I've heard. MS was in the crew room today and he said that only 30 (or so) pilots signed up for informational picketing.

Unfortunately, that doesn't go a long way to give the NPA confidence that we'll back them up if they needed to make a move.

You trust MS? HA!

 

[SkiFishFly]

You trust MS? HA!

I don't...

Even if what he said was true - hardly a valid excuse for accepting and then heartily endorsing that pos TA.

 

[Lear70]

There were less than 100 who signed up for informational picketing BEFORE the T.A. came out.

That number is over 100 last I heard, and that's without even an "official" request for it.

Once they pick out a place, date, and time, and put out an official request for it, the reasoning behind it, and give people an adequate chance to respond, I believe those numbers will grow exponentially.

You'd think our NPA guys who'd been up to the ALPA Leadership training sessions in Herndon would have a better sense of how to motivate our pilot group...

 

[PCL_128]

You'd think our NPA guys who'd been up to the ALPA Leadership training sessions in Herndon would have a better sense of how to motivate our pilot group...

Well, in their defense, the ALPA Leadership Conference isn't exactly what it sounds like. There isn't actually any "leadership training." The conference actually focuses on ALPA's structure, the grievance system, the legal department, etc... Actual discussions of how to properly motivate and lead pilots aren't part of the training. You only achieve those skills through experience as a rep over time. This lacking in the Leadership Conference is something that many of us have brought up, but the problem is one of time and money. There's just not enough time and money to focus on that when the basics need to be covered also. Maybe when dues revenue picks up in the next few years...

Also, I'm not sure that any of the NPA reps have been to any ALPA Leadership Conferences. These conferences are usually limited to actual ALPA reps. NPA reps have been invited to other ALPA events, however.

 

[Lear70]

I thought it was one of the things we were paying for when our NPA guys went up to Herndon for "training"...

Maybe it was just the negotiating courses.

 

[Ty Webb]

I thought it was one of the things we were paying for when our NPA guys went up to Herndon for "training"...

Maybe it was just the negotiating courses.

Well, we've seen the benefit of that course, or, at least, Allen's interpretation of it. Maybe it's time for a Teamster . . . . Oops, was I thinking out loud again?





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[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well, we've seen the benefit of that course, or, at least, Allen's interpretation of it. Maybe it's time for a Teamster . . . . Oops, was I thinking out loud again?





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Ty-

You got allot on your plate. From this TA, to trying to fit a Guild into your reality to wondering if the status quo is fine or teamsters is the way to go....

Rezfully Yours....