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top right corner...its been here all along
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It's time for a T/A to be cast out for a pilot vote! It either passes and the pilots have voiced their true opinions without Mr. Wilson, or it fails and demonstrates our pilot's resolve.
I'd have to argue that "Hardline Arnold" isn't such a whiz bang consultant. He has nothing to lose and nothing to gain with our contract. Is he genuinely trying to help our pilot group out because he respects, loves, and honors us so much? Or is it because he has such a perverse hate for management that he is willing to cut anyones throat (including ours) to prove a point and bolster an enlarged ego? I'd have to argue that with as little that has changed in the past four years under his tutilage he isn't an effective consultant. In short- the retired, bitter, and horridly hateful consultant we are using doesn't really give a damn about us, but hates management enough to volunteer for this crap while retired. The line pilots should be the consultants........
I definately agree with many others- a release isn't coming. Isn't it about time we start thinking of an alternate means of finishing this thing up?
I'd have to argue that "Hardline Arnold" isn't such a whiz bang consultant. He has nothing to lose and nothing to gain with our contract. Is he genuinely trying to help our pilot group out because he respects, loves, and honors us so much? Or is it because he has such a perverse hate for management that he is willing to cut anyones throat (including ours) to prove a point and bolster an enlarged ego? I'd have to argue that with as little that has changed in the past four years under his tutilage he isn't an effective consultant. In short- the retired, bitter, and horridly hateful consultant we are using doesn't really give a damn about us, but hates management enough to volunteer for this crap while retired. The line pilots should be the consultants........
I definately agree with many others- a release isn't coming. Isn't it about time we start thinking of an alternate means of finishing this thing up?
How does it work? Without a POH or FOM, I'm lost on how to use something new. All this time I would open Word to figure out if I was spelling a word properly.
For Microsoft stuff there is always www.iespell.com but I haven't found anything for Mozilla yet.
Another idiot who thinks he/she has all the answers, but knows nothing about the process.
Once again you show your ignorance!I am being...dare I say...POSITIVE, that the NMB will finally see what a bunch of Butt Monkeys we really work for! Time will tell, but don't sit there and say that the CNC did NOTHING during the session's...again, you show your ignorance!
I'm showing my ignorance. I'm ready to put money on the table. How much are you willing to bet that we get released? I'm sure a lot of people on this board would love to take bets that we will not get released. You are out of touch with reality.
Other than show up and talk the CNC did nothing in the last session. I don't grade progress on the idea that we almost came up with something.
On a side note when do you decide to hit caps lock? I read your posts and in my head I yell the Caps items... It makes no sense at all.
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You have a good idea - BUT - right now we have no scope in the proposal made by the Company. If a TA was put out for a vote, we would have to vote it down for that reason alone.
I agree with your thoughts on Capt. Arnold. When we tried to pass a resolution at the LEC level to ask ALPA to include us in scope negotiations within the Delta brand - Bob (as MEC Chairman, remember this was a LEC meeting) killed it. The reason for killing our various attempts at brand scope was that "ALPA National will bankrupt us" in retribution. (us being the ASA MEC)
Back then ASA and Comair did nearly 80% of DCI flying. Now we have 10, make that 11, DCI carriers and we are becoming irrelevant.
Capt. Arnold was at various times a valuable help to the ASA pilots. He was at his best when he promoted the PID and he taught me my opinions on scope and unionism. At other times he has seriously harmed us. I liked Bob ver1.0 alot better than the ver2.0 that came back from Herndon, VA. The time has come for him to relax and let our elected representatives do the representing.
Posted by ASARJMAN
"Is this a survey that you conducted yourself, of ALL the ASA pilots. Or is this just some bullshet you made up and wrote on here to impress yourself?"
Response:
You are right, all the lineholders are not complaining about the process. There are a few that still hold out for the following:
1) All complainers are anti ALPA whinners.
2) All complainers are ignorant of "the process"
3) All complainers want a MESA contract
4) All complainers should just shut up and let the MEC/CNC handle this
I offer the following suggestion:
Maybe things are not going as planned for the CNC. Maybe a change in intensity is called for. Perhaps not a change of personel, just a change of attitude.
"Is this a survey that you conducted yourself, of ALL the ASA pilots. Or is this just some bullshet you made up and wrote on here to impress yourself?"
Response:
You are right, all the lineholders are not complaining about the process. There are a few that still hold out for the following:
1) All complainers are anti ALPA whinners.
2) All complainers are ignorant of "the process"
3) All complainers want a MESA contract
4) All complainers should just shut up and let the MEC/CNC handle this
I offer the following suggestion:
Maybe things are not going as planned for the CNC. Maybe a change in intensity is called for. Perhaps not a change of personel, just a change of attitude.
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As I look back at all the posts I realize that ASARJMAN slices and dices every post that does not suck up to the current ALPA gang. I like the current officers but not to the extent of ASARJMAN. He is the Karl Rove of the ASA MEC. Must we always march in step with our leaders? Are self reflection and individual opinions not a cornerstone of our great Nation?
Damn, why don't you run for Pres.....
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Hey dumb azz, Karl Rove is a political advisor. What you are describing is a hatchet man. Chuck T. was a hatchet man. James Carvill is a hatchet man. Karl Rove directs strategy. I find it very hard to believe he is dictating strategy
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snif snif, brings a tear to me eyes, and pride..........
Well why don't you contact them at the ALPA office, and suggest that? Because they're not flying the line as some say on here, they'll be there regardless of what others on here write. The MEC and CNC are not opposed to hearing your thoughts and suggestions. Call 'em, or go by the office.
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How's this? Can you read it now? Again, what is your proof the CNC did nothing? Oh, that's right....B"Dckhd"L told you right....
Man...truely a case of leading a horse to water, but not being able to make it drink. You are a lost cause....good luck with THAT!This is exactly the problem I am talking about- someone has a different opinion and that makes them an idiot.......Get real! ALPA works for everyone regardless of their view points.
Anyone that really wants to know the great B.A, our fearless consultant, should do a search to read some of the posts made by "BizJet"........Perhaps that would be enough of an education? It's time he retired and enjoyed his golden years- and left us and our MEC/LEC to fend/work for ourselves.
I wouldn't hazard to guess that if the company thought we were going to give the latest company proposal a shot, they would try their best to sweeten the deal in order to get it to pass. If our CNC and MEC offered to cast the latest proposal to the pilots in exchange for scope protection, I'd think they would do their best to make it lucrative.
Tomct: I said your caps lock thing was funny. Bold type in lower case is just easier for our senior pilots to read... but not funny.
I know the CNC didn't do anything but show up and talk because... and this is big, we don't have a TA.
I'll even play the horse water game. I'm a horse and you are say the leader. I show up to ground school listen to the chat (which you really need to find a better sales person) and I sign up and pay dues. I think this would be an example of the horse going to the stream and drinking.
Years of drinking and I have had plenty of water. I have an inbox full of water. I have people marching in circles with buckets of water. While I thank you and your type for leading me to water and it has been delicious... I am now ready for a steak or a meal of some kind.
Hey did you want to take me up on the "release by the NMB" bet? I have a small pool of pilots that are ready to show you are full of cr@p... I made it a $100 minimum bet and had more than enough takers. Grab some ALPA money and put your money where your caps locked mouth is.
I know the CNC didn't do anything but show up and talk because... and this is big, we don't have a TA.
I'll even play the horse water game. I'm a horse and you are say the leader. I show up to ground school listen to the chat (which you really need to find a better sales person) and I sign up and pay dues. I think this would be an example of the horse going to the stream and drinking.
Years of drinking and I have had plenty of water. I have an inbox full of water. I have people marching in circles with buckets of water. While I thank you and your type for leading me to water and it has been delicious... I am now ready for a steak or a meal of some kind.
Hey did you want to take me up on the "release by the NMB" bet? I have a small pool of pilots that are ready to show you are full of cr@p... I made it a $100 minimum bet and had more than enough takers. Grab some ALPA money and put your money where your caps locked mouth is.
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The funny thing is that when the contract arrives and you get your money...you will sit there "fat...dumb...AND...happy!" I am sure that the two people you found to put money in are the same guys that wanted the "Fab 4" in place and sit listening to SH believing everything that he has to say!
Thanks for the bet, but I don't make what I DESERVE as a pilot here, so I will not take it. When our money comes along with our contract, I will gladly accept your apology to the CNC!
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Mozilla has one built in! Right click in the text box and select "Spell check this field."
Funny thing is that the "Fab 4" seem to have had much more of the big picture than people originally gave them credit for. SCOPE was their biggest issue- something very important to the pilot group that isn't being adequately addressed by the reps we have running things now. At least they (fab 4) said they'd have a T/A out there for the pilot group to vote on.
With the current group, we have a handful that want this to happen, and the others upped the 50 seat rate to something rediculous that puts us ahead of SkyWest- Gee, I wonder how that is gonna work out for us??? Funny thing is I don't even need a consultant to deduct the outcome for that........
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It is my understanding that the CNC members did in fact offer to go back to the line several months ago. For whatever reason it was decided that they should concentrate on the job at hand. As far as what they do, think about it. The CNC is ALWAYS ready for their sessions, normally with several options already played out and written up. The company negotiators always come to the table unprepared. The CNC guys are doing a job that you couldn't pay me enough to do. Why not give them a little respect?
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