Asa Cnc

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The CNC guys are doing a job that you couldn't pay me enough to do. Why not give them a little respect?

You got an AMEN on that brother!

 

[wms]

Funny thing is that the "Fab 4" seem to have had much more of the big picture than people originally gave them credit for. SCOPE was their biggest issue- something very important to the pilot group that isn't being adequately addressed by the reps we have running things now. At least they (fab 4) said they'd have a T/A out there for the pilot group to vote on.

With the current group, we have a handful that want this to happen, and the others upped the 50 seat rate to something rediculous that puts us ahead of SkyWest- Gee, I wonder how that is gonna work out for us??? Funny thing is I don't even need a consultant to deduct the outcome for that........

Their (JB & LJ)personal interests were their biggest issue. They'd have caved on the rest of the contract and sold out the rest of the pilot group for it.

 

[sweptback]

The only thing that the Fab 4 would have had out to vote on was the company's last table position. If you truly think that would be in the best interest of our pilot group then I'm sorry to say I disagree strongly.

 

[wms]

The Fab 5 would've agreed to anything the company put before them just to wrap up the contract, even if it was sub-standard. After 4 1/2 years the ASA pilots deserve better.

 

[ASARJMan]

Their (JB & LJ)personal interests were their biggest issue. They'd have caved on the rest of the contract and sold out the rest of the pilot group for it.

I became suspect when SH indorsed LJ. Management indorsing someone is bad dodo for pilots. But, we took care of her and her boytoy.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Is this a survey that you conducted yourself, of ALL the ASA pilots. Or is this just some bullshet you made up and wrote on here to impress yourself?

I wasn't aware a survey of ALL ASA pilots existed. In fact, according to the CNC chairman, he was "advised against one". I wonder why...

 

[John Pennekamp]

As I look back at all the posts I realize that ASARJMAN slices and dices every post that does not suck up to the current ALPA gang. I like the current officers but not to the extent of ASARJMAN. He is the Karl Rove of the ASA MEC. Must we always march in step with our leaders? Are self reflection and individual opinions not a cornerstone of our great Nation?

Actually, he IS the Karl Rove of the MEC. He's none other that the former Communications Chairman, and also a "Jetdi Captain". His #1 job as Communications Chairman was MEC spin. When TZ came on, he "stepped down to spend more time with his family".

 

[John Pennekamp]

The only thing that the Fab 4 would have had out to vote on was the company's last table position. If you truly think that would be in the best interest of our pilot group then I'm sorry to say I disagree strongly.

WF is saying on the ALPA board that an MEC member admitted the current table position would pass as a TA by at least 60%.

Isn't the MEC's job to please the majority?

 

[JoeMerchant]

WF is saying on the ALPA board that an MEC member admitted the current table position would pass as a TA by at least 60%.

Isn't the MEC's job to please the majority?

John,

I was there with Will. This MEC member also said that most pilots are "stupid", and that he knew what was better for them. I was pretty shocked that a voting member of the MEC would say that in public.

 

[John Pennekamp]

John,

I was there with Will. This MEC member also said that most pilots are "stupid", and that he knew what was better for them. I was pretty shocked that a voting member of the MEC would say that in public.

That's real cute. I'm really beginning to wonder why I backed the Utley coalition. While I have the utmost respect for Danny, it seems he surrounded himself with some real winners.

If that's truly how the MEC feels, then we're in big trouble as a pilot group. Glad they "know what's best for us"... like holding out for two more years for COLA while we recieve no COLA raises in the meantime. Duh!

 

[ASARJMan]

You two, or is it three, four, are real pieces of work!

 

[ASARJMan]

John,

I was there with Will. This MEC member also said that most pilots are "stupid", and that he knew what was better for them. I was pretty shocked that a voting member of the MEC would say that in public.

Perhaps you're taking it out of context what he actually said John, that possible? Surely you wouldn't just use that part to your advantage or to slam the MEC/CNC would you John? Perhaps he meant most pilots don't educate theirselves about the issues, which is true.

 

[John Pennekamp]

You two, or is it three, four, are real pieces of work!

That's the best you can do? I rest my case.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Perhaps you're taking it out of context what he actually said John, that possible? Surely you wouldn't just use that part to your advantage or to slam the MEC/CNC would you John? Perhaps he meant most pilots don't educate theirselves about the issues, which is true.

Oh I get it, the old, "attack his credibility" line. Yea, JB is the ONLY person who ever quotes out of context, right? Or tries to put a spin on the words. Like you just did.

JB, who else was there to coorborate your story? What else was said?

 

[ASARJMan]

WF is saying on the ALPA board that an MEC member admitted the current table position would pass as a TA by at least 60%. Isn't the MEC's job to please the majority?

Yes Will, it is. First, there is no TA. Right now there's no scope because the company and ALPA are far far apart on that, along with retro. Those are the two things the majority of pilots want addressed.

Did this MEC member conduct his own poll? Funny, I wasn't polled. Anyone else out there polled by this MEC member, other than JB and WF, ok, johnpennekamp then?

 

[ASARJMan]

I rest my case.

Rest it then baby! If we only were so lucky.

 

[ASARJMan]

I wasn't aware a survey of ALL ASA pilots existed. In fact, according to the CNC chairman, he was "advised against one". I wonder why...

But yet you're spewing about a MEC member stating that 60% would vote for whatever TA was placed in front of them.

 

[JoeMerchant]

That's real cute. I'm really beginning to wonder why I backed the Utley coalition. While I have the utmost respect for Danny, it seems he surrounded himself with some real winners.

If that's truly how the MEC feels, then we're in big trouble as a pilot group. Glad they "know what's best for us"... like holding out for two more years for COLA while we recieve no COLA raises in the meantime. Duh!

Your right about Danny, he does "get it". It is the other 3 that worry me. I'm actually kind of surprised he ran with those 3. He thinks more like the "LJ/ASA Coalition" than he does with the coalition he ran with.

 

[ASARJMan]

WF is saying on the ALPA board that an MEC member admitted the current table position would pass as a TA by at least 60%.

Isn't the MEC's job to please the majority?

Yes, it is. That's why the MEC goes by the Wilson polling. The majority want a fair raise, retro, and scope. the company doesn't want to give it, yet.

I ask again, anyone out there polled by this MEC member?

 

[ASARJMan]

Oh I get it, the old, "attack his credibility" line. Yea, JB is the ONLY person who ever quotes out of context, right? Or tries to put a spin on the words. Like you just did.

JB, who else was there to coorborate your story? What else was said?

So, you're saying Jb did take it out of context? No big shocker there!