UNBELIEVABLE! - CAL ALPA supports change to Age 60 Rule

[Pocono Pilot]

Unbelievable!

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[Heavy Set]

Agenda item – resolution regarding CAL MEC chairman’s support of modification of ALPA’s policy on Age 60 rule at Executive Board meeting. Motion to approve the resolution. Second. Discussion. Motion to amend the resolution. Second. Discussion. Motion to amend the resolution passes. Vote on the amended resolution passes.

Why on earth is CAL ALPA proactively supporting a change to the age 60 rule when it has NOT even been changed yet?????

Do you mean to tell me that a majority of the CAL pilots are actually supporting this change?

XJT is not! AA is not! NWA is not! FedEx is not. UPS is not! DAL is not!

So CAL pilots come out and supports it before it is even decided!!!

I am so mad I could spit!

Pratter is probably buddies with the 1190 or so CAL pilots who don't really want to retire in the next couple or three years.

 

[WateryGrave]

Why on earth is CAL ALPA proactively supporting a change to the age 60 rule when it has NOT even been changed yet?????

Do you mean to tell me that a majority of the CAL pilots are actually supporting this change?

XJT is not! AA is not! NWA is not! FedEx is not. UPS is not! DAL is not!

So CAL pilots come out and supports it before it is even decided!!!

I am so mad I could spit!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there supposed to be something like 50% of their pilot group retiring in the next 5 or 10 years. That make for alot of senior people in the union who want another 5 years to build up there retirements. It seems logical to me that they would endorse the change... Why so surprised??

 

[rf285]

This is so wrong in so many ways....

 

[Dorkpilot]

There is more to it than simply wanting the age 65 rule

Let me start with I am completely against the age 65 rule.:angryfire

There is more to it than simply wanting the age 65 rule.

However, sometimes you have to cut your losses. For example look at the USAir guys. They insisted on DOH and lost any opportunities to make a better intregration than what they got.

On age 60, it is happening and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Congress and the FAA are for it, so it will happen. The best thing they can do now is endorse it and support changes that will afford pilots the opportunity to retire at age 60, 62 or an age earlier than 65...without penaltys for an "early" retirement.

An example of that is; Currently there is speculation that if you retire early with the pensions reform, you will be assessed a 15% penalty on your pension if you retire at 60. You'll have to wait until the effective date on your pension if you don't want to be assessed a penalty. I would rather support the rule and get this changed so that guys will not be assessed penaltys on retiring "early". There are other gotcha's that could affect retirees that want to retire early and the only way to change the rules is to play the game.

At least AA and CAL have a frozen A Plan the will encourage the new "early" retirements.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[EMBpilot]

CAL has too many old pilots. Majority wins.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

RECALL EVERYONE ON THE MEC AND ALL LEC's. Talk about trying to bring respect back to the CAL MEC. NOT A CHANCE! "It's all about me and my greed" OUT. OUT OUT Piss ant self centered THIEVING group!

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Majority of what? Did the survey come out? Did anyone call you?

 

[EMBpilot]

Majority of what? Did the survey come out? Did anyone call you?

Majority of pilots. They vote and make pressure on MEC with collective vision of the future for the entire pilot group.

The bottom pay rates are so low (+ no meds) because we have too many old guys who desperately wanted to save their lump sums. Something had to give.

 

[Dorkpilot]

RECALL EVERYONE ON THE MEC AND ALL LEC's. Talk about trying to bring respect back to the CAL MEC. NOT A CHANCE! "It's all about me and my greed" OUT. OUT OUT Piss ant self centered THIEVING group!

You obviously haven't been reading the news lately about how the age 65 rule WILL happen. Be rational, not emotional, and find ways to encourage the new "early" retirements at 60.

 

[GuppyWN]

You obviously haven't been reading the news lately about how the age 65 rule WILL happen.

I must have missed that press release. Last I heard was the Feds are activily denying waivers and there is a POSSIBILITY of them issuing a NPRM this fall. A NPRM of course being a notice of PROPOSED rule making.

It's a long way from a done deal.

Gup

 

[XJTAv8r]

I must have missed that press release. Last I heard was the Feds are activily denying waivers and there is a POSSIBILITY of them issuing a NPRM this fall. A NPRM of course being a notice of PROPOSED rule making.

It's a long way from a done deal.

Gup

Take a look at Section 706 of Senate Bill 1300. There's a push to circumvent the FAA's NPRM and fast track a rule change via Congress (Much of the pressure is coming from SW pilots):
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-1300

Let me start with I am completely against the age 65 rule.:angryfire

Write your senator if you care about this issue:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

 

[Palomino]

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hey PooPoo Pilot...why do you even care? all you do is bash CAL even though they pay most of your bills and are the biggest reason that you are sitting in the seat that you are. you don't wanna be here and CLAIM to have turned down the job. congrats on that!

if age 60 falls then guess where you'll be stuck for an extra 5 years...?

best of luck in your finicky job search. i am glad that you aren't at CAL. please continue your reign as KING RJ PILOT and tell the world how great you are - maybe someone will listen...

 

[RIOtoPilot]

True

hey PooPoo Pilot...why do you even care? all you do is bash CAL even though they pay most of your bills and are the biggest reason that you are sitting in the seat that you are. you don't wanna be here and CLAIM to have turned down the job. congrats on that!

if age 60 falls then guess where you'll be stuck for an extra 5 years...?

best of luck in your finicky job search. i am glad that you aren't at CAL. please continue your reign as KING RJ PILOT and tell the world how great you are - maybe someone will listen...

No kidding.....Pocono - let it go. You continue to bash and bash. Is a CAL guy banging your wife or something?

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

I hardly believe the majority of CAL pilots support raising the retirement age. I am greatly angered by this betrayal of my union leadership and the fact that as a probie I can't even do anything about it is more frustrating!

 

[becket]

Many CAL pilots have a long and distinguished history of F'ing other pilots just to get something for themselves. Understand that fact and this shouldn't surprise you either. Gee, SCABS want to throw younger guys under the bus? Go figure.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

THIS JUST IN!!!!

.............................pilots will look out for themselves, even if others feel as though they are getting shafted by it.
That is all.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

No kidding.....Pocono - let it go. You continue to bash and bash. Is a CAL guy banging your wife or something?

I don't think my husband would like it if I had a wife.

Come to think of it, maybe he would, actually. :blush:

 

[luckytohaveajob]

every XJT pilot I have ever spoken to concerning age 65 has been completely ambivalent about resisting a change and could careless if age 65 occurs.

 

[a10hogplt]

pocono pilot is the biggest idiot on these boards...dont let her or him, or maybe he/she doesnt even know bring you down.
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[Jonny Sacko]

Please write or call your mec and lec representatives and ask how this was not given to a vote. Why did they sell everyone out? Was anyone called, or did this survey ever get published results. Complete crap. Please try to find out what changed, and how no one was notified.

 

[Skywriter70]

aHOG10pilot should be talking

aHOG10pilot, you should be freakin talking. Look at your intelligent postings on the airtran thread. You bash others just as bad, and if you are a male I would suppose you and Poconopilot are shackin up. I encourage folk to read ahog10pilot posts on the airtran TA thread. Kettle callin' the pot black aHog10pilot... Quite funny to hear you BS though. You will say whatever goes, and that's called a sellout.

 

[Skywriter70]

Once again hog....

This was your statement on another thread, and my response below it. You say PoconoPilot is the worst on here. Spare me, if people do just a tiny bit of checking, they would know you as the mouth. I do agree with you that Pocohantas is quite pathetic and we see write through him possing as a her to get us to now lay off. but you yourself are noteworthy for being a damn hipocrit....

Remember these attacks, and such... and the reponses you got from other threads yourself. Well let me remind you.. Here is one...

Originally Posted by a10hogplt
AIRTRAN valuejet..call them whatever...modern day wanna bee's......they are a regional, or scab airline.....oh wait...we dont have a board for modern day scabs...........oops..
Just putting your professionalism, and demeanor in check.... There can only be one reason. With your hours, and the experience you listed you must have been turned down by both and are struggling with their decision. It's just chewing you up inside and so all you can do is place blame, talk down to and about. I haven't heard one intelligent thing come out of your mouth. Secondly, you have it all wrong. You are the typical puke who management has one over. You are week and have been controlled by management to fight amonst the pilot ranks/group rather than band together to work collectively to pick this up out of the gutter. You don't really seem to have the ability to work with anyone, and might be better off just continuing to fly your little warthog..... Piece out brother - you've got it all wrong. Oh yeah, contracts are better, not pilot groups. You speak as if you have weight or authority and your making the rest of us sick....

 

[Skywriter70]

Pocono Pilot and aHOG10pilot = not even 7000 hours combined....

 

[SkeWest]

I spoke with my LEC rep who was at the meeting and he told me this is BS. Someone has taken this all out of context. The MEC is not taking a stand to support a change in the age 60 rule. The CAL MEC is taking no stand at all on the age 60 rule.

 

[zonker]

I spoke with my LEC rep who was at the meeting and he told me this is BS. Someone has taken this all out of context. The MEC is not taking a stand to support a change in the age 60 rule. The CAL MEC is taking no stand at all on the age 60 rule.

So you're saying Pocono Pilot has his head up his as$ again?

Shocking.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

The coming change to ending a pilot's career at age 65 is a travesty.

There should be no age discrimination, and no age limit.

cliff
YIP

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Hi!

The coming change to ending a pilot's career at age 65 is a travesty.

There should be no age discrimination, and no age limit.

cliff
YIP

What airline experience do you have? According to your profile it looks like, NONE!

The rules of the game were established in 1949. Everyone who has played the game knows the rules. Now because of some whining because of a self inflicted injury, the losers want to change the rules.

Cliff needs to get a life so he can get a valid opinion. He is obviously into some creepy stuff looking at his profile picture.

 

[Vastly Underemp]

Let me ask those against the rule change just what is your objection? Is there any imperical evidence that pilots are not capable of meeting medical standards beyond age 60? Is there any imperical evidence that there would be a higher bust rate on checkrides for those over 65? Just what are your objections based on? The only arguement I've heard that isn't complete Bulls**t is that it will delay YOUR upgrade/transition/payraise. It is the very same greed that you accuse the senior pilots of guiding their decision. Did anyone notice that your said upgrade/transition/payraise will still happen, just at a higher rate as you acquire longevity? And those last 5 years, should you choose to accept them, will also be at a higher rate. But I will be assuming that all objectors will voluntarily retire at 60, right? Or are your arguements just oral diahrrea?
This retirement age was determined, as previously stated, in 1949 and was established at the request of airline management. It was created simply to hold down payroll of all the WW2 vets that made up the bulk of the seniority lists of the day. It was a purely financial decision, backed up with smoke and mirrors medical science. Even if it was remotely applicable in 1949 the average life expectancy of a US citizen has increased almost 20 years since then. All credible contributors agree that there is no longer any medical reason to require retirement at age 60.

So, have at it, gentlemen and ladies. Come up with something other than "get the f**k out of MY seat" and I'll be happy to listen. Otherwise, wallow in the same greed that you accuse others of.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Hope you die in that seat, how's that you self centered, all about me, piece of ********************. You knew the age, live with it. Die from it, I don't care, but don't try to change it to double help you, and screw me. You have no life except that seat. Your 3 wife loves it when you leave for work so she can visit her boyfriend. You just aren't smart enough to see logic. Maybe you can understand this. F-u-c-k Off.