UNBELIEVABLE! - CAL ALPA supports change to Age 60 Rule

[Pocono Pilot]

Unbelievable!

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[Heavy Set]

Agenda item – resolution regarding CAL MEC chairman’s support of modification of ALPA’s policy on Age 60 rule at Executive Board meeting. Motion to approve the resolution. Second. Discussion. Motion to amend the resolution. Second. Discussion. Motion to amend the resolution passes. Vote on the amended resolution passes.

Why on earth is CAL ALPA proactively supporting a change to the age 60 rule when it has NOT even been changed yet?????

Do you mean to tell me that a majority of the CAL pilots are actually supporting this change?

XJT is not! AA is not! NWA is not! FedEx is not. UPS is not! DAL is not!

So CAL pilots come out and supports it before it is even decided!!!

I am so mad I could spit!

Pratter is probably buddies with the 1190 or so CAL pilots who don't really want to retire in the next couple or three years.

 

[WateryGrave]

Why on earth is CAL ALPA proactively supporting a change to the age 60 rule when it has NOT even been changed yet?????

Do you mean to tell me that a majority of the CAL pilots are actually supporting this change?

XJT is not! AA is not! NWA is not! FedEx is not. UPS is not! DAL is not!

So CAL pilots come out and supports it before it is even decided!!!

I am so mad I could spit!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there supposed to be something like 50% of their pilot group retiring in the next 5 or 10 years. That make for alot of senior people in the union who want another 5 years to build up there retirements. It seems logical to me that they would endorse the change... Why so surprised??

 

[rf285]

This is so wrong in so many ways....

 

[Dorkpilot]

There is more to it than simply wanting the age 65 rule

Let me start with I am completely against the age 65 rule.:angryfire

There is more to it than simply wanting the age 65 rule.

However, sometimes you have to cut your losses. For example look at the USAir guys. They insisted on DOH and lost any opportunities to make a better intregration than what they got.

On age 60, it is happening and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Congress and the FAA are for it, so it will happen. The best thing they can do now is endorse it and support changes that will afford pilots the opportunity to retire at age 60, 62 or an age earlier than 65...without penaltys for an "early" retirement.

An example of that is; Currently there is speculation that if you retire early with the pensions reform, you will be assessed a 15% penalty on your pension if you retire at 60. You'll have to wait until the effective date on your pension if you don't want to be assessed a penalty. I would rather support the rule and get this changed so that guys will not be assessed penaltys on retiring "early". There are other gotcha's that could affect retirees that want to retire early and the only way to change the rules is to play the game.

At least AA and CAL have a frozen A Plan the will encourage the new "early" retirements.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[EMBpilot]

CAL has too many old pilots. Majority wins.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

RECALL EVERYONE ON THE MEC AND ALL LEC's. Talk about trying to bring respect back to the CAL MEC. NOT A CHANCE! "It's all about me and my greed" OUT. OUT OUT Piss ant self centered THIEVING group!

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Majority of what? Did the survey come out? Did anyone call you?

 

[EMBpilot]

Majority of what? Did the survey come out? Did anyone call you?

Majority of pilots. They vote and make pressure on MEC with collective vision of the future for the entire pilot group.

The bottom pay rates are so low (+ no meds) because we have too many old guys who desperately wanted to save their lump sums. Something had to give.

 

[Dorkpilot]

RECALL EVERYONE ON THE MEC AND ALL LEC's. Talk about trying to bring respect back to the CAL MEC. NOT A CHANCE! "It's all about me and my greed" OUT. OUT OUT Piss ant self centered THIEVING group!

You obviously haven't been reading the news lately about how the age 65 rule WILL happen. Be rational, not emotional, and find ways to encourage the new "early" retirements at 60.

 

[GuppyWN]

You obviously haven't been reading the news lately about how the age 65 rule WILL happen.

I must have missed that press release. Last I heard was the Feds are activily denying waivers and there is a POSSIBILITY of them issuing a NPRM this fall. A NPRM of course being a notice of PROPOSED rule making.

It's a long way from a done deal.

Gup

 

[XJTAv8r]

I must have missed that press release. Last I heard was the Feds are activily denying waivers and there is a POSSIBILITY of them issuing a NPRM this fall. A NPRM of course being a notice of PROPOSED rule making.

It's a long way from a done deal.

Gup

Take a look at Section 706 of Senate Bill 1300. There's a push to circumvent the FAA's NPRM and fast track a rule change via Congress (Much of the pressure is coming from SW pilots):
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-1300

Let me start with I am completely against the age 65 rule.:angryfire

Write your senator if you care about this issue:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

 

[Palomino]

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hey PooPoo Pilot...why do you even care? all you do is bash CAL even though they pay most of your bills and are the biggest reason that you are sitting in the seat that you are. you don't wanna be here and CLAIM to have turned down the job. congrats on that!

if age 60 falls then guess where you'll be stuck for an extra 5 years...?

best of luck in your finicky job search. i am glad that you aren't at CAL. please continue your reign as KING RJ PILOT and tell the world how great you are - maybe someone will listen...

 

[RIOtoPilot]

True

hey PooPoo Pilot...why do you even care? all you do is bash CAL even though they pay most of your bills and are the biggest reason that you are sitting in the seat that you are. you don't wanna be here and CLAIM to have turned down the job. congrats on that!

if age 60 falls then guess where you'll be stuck for an extra 5 years...?

best of luck in your finicky job search. i am glad that you aren't at CAL. please continue your reign as KING RJ PILOT and tell the world how great you are - maybe someone will listen...

No kidding.....Pocono - let it go. You continue to bash and bash. Is a CAL guy banging your wife or something?

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

I hardly believe the majority of CAL pilots support raising the retirement age. I am greatly angered by this betrayal of my union leadership and the fact that as a probie I can't even do anything about it is more frustrating!

 

[becket]

Many CAL pilots have a long and distinguished history of F'ing other pilots just to get something for themselves. Understand that fact and this shouldn't surprise you either. Gee, SCABS want to throw younger guys under the bus? Go figure.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

THIS JUST IN!!!!

.............................pilots will look out for themselves, even if others feel as though they are getting shafted by it.
That is all.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

No kidding.....Pocono - let it go. You continue to bash and bash. Is a CAL guy banging your wife or something?

I don't think my husband would like it if I had a wife.

Come to think of it, maybe he would, actually. :blush:

 

[luckytohaveajob]

every XJT pilot I have ever spoken to concerning age 65 has been completely ambivalent about resisting a change and could careless if age 65 occurs.

 

[a10hogplt]

pocono pilot is the biggest idiot on these boards...dont let her or him, or maybe he/she doesnt even know bring you down.
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