Skywest..ALPA?

[Gr82Aviate]

Artic,
An extensive survey was conducted concerning PBS, and as a surprise it had substantial amount of participation considering much of our pilot group has been tagged as apithetic. If I recall there were well over 1500 pilots that responded. The high majority had given a PBS a strong vote of approval, and when asked if they had a choice to return to the previous built line format wanted to remain with PBS.

Although I am not a real big fan of PBS either, and very senior, I think it's an improvement.

Have to disagree with you...in its present form PBS is not an improvement! The pairings are getting worse(lower credit with the same or even longer duty time)! This means getting less days off to achieve the same credit for the month as prior to PBS, and then there are the forced pairings that get thrown on your schedule for "coverage"?.

 

[Gnarloooo]

Hey you A$$. 60 percent is not a high majority. PBS is the biggest concession ever given to managment without a fight. Next time don't say such stupid things and I won't have to beeatch slap you in front of all these nice people.

P.S. You think 5 day 21 hour trips are fun? F U.

 

[planesrcool]

i think u guys r all really stupid for wantin alpo ooppps i mean alpa. stupid is stupid does

 

[hoover]

All I hear is “what has ALPA done for me” / “what has ALPA done for other airlines”…instead, to echo an often quoted President… “what can I do for ALPA?” ALPA is a professional organization that promotes the airline pilots’ viewpoint to airline managements, to the general public and to our elected officials in DC. It is an organization made up of primarily volunteers dedicated to safety, raising the standards of OUR lives, and pay industry-wide. ALPA is involved in lawmaking, aeromedical issues, development of aircraft, and in each of our lives to a certain extent whether we are ALPA or not.
As a pilot who has been furloughed from strong union carrier and now finds themselves at a non-union shop, I can say that I hope ALPA succeeds in their goals of unifying the PROFESSION and not caving in to the “what has ALPA done for me” selfishness.

If ALPA were truly the selfless organization you describe it to be, then the top people there would not be getting paid two to three times what they would be paid if they were flying the line.

If ALPA were the truly the democratic organization it claims to be, then it wouldn't be blacklisting and labeling as scabs all those who don't fall into lockstep with the party line. True democracy welcomes, even encourages, dissent. ALPA does none of that.

ALPA is a business, dedicated to the advancement of its own agenda, just like every other business. Their business is convincing you that the only way you can have a decent job or career is by paying them your 2%

A non-ALPA (note, I did not say non-union) Skywest is more of a threat to ALPA than it is to Skywest pilots.

 

[CFIT]

I was in the survey stats, I didn't make it up, and I don't care.


Have fun on your 5 day trip junior turd, F U too.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If ALPA were truly the selfless organization you describe it to be, then the top people there would not be getting paid two to three times what they would be paid if they were flying the line.

Wrong. Me thinks you don't even know how many TOP guys there are. Only the president gets a salary and that is determined democratically by the membership.

If ALPA were the truly the democratic organization it claims to be, then it wouldn't be blacklisting and labeling as scabs all those who don't fall into lockstep with the party line. True democracy welcomes, even encourages, dissent. ALPA does none of that.

Individuals don't necessarily speak for the organization. Do a few Americans who hate muslims speak for you?

ALPA is a business, dedicated to the advancement of its own agenda, just like every other business. Their business is convincing you that the only way you can have a decent job or career is by paying them your 2%

What agenda is that?

Runway safety?
Fair and Reasonable pay and work rules for the Air Line Pilot Profession?
Protecting globalization from giving our jobs away to foreign countries
Due Process

What are the Skywest pilots doing to help the profession?
http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...sView.aspx?itemid=7733&ModuleId=8300&Tabid=73

or this...

http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...View.aspx?itemid=7707&ModuleId=2044&Tabid=256

A non-ALPA (note, I did not say non-union) Skywest is more of a threat to ALPA than it is to Skywest pilots.

Skywest not becomming ALPA is bad for both groups. Not today. The trick is to look 10 years down the road. With foreign control and Open Skies agreements that will make your wages and work rules obsolete, wating till the storm and then realizing you need shelter isn't going to work....

The degredation of work rules has already begun at Skywest. The profit margins and operating room is getting tighter and tighter at every regional. I'm not sure how Skywest can keep it up before the bottom drops out....

United we negotiate divided we beg....

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I was in the survey stats, I didn't make it up, and I don't care.


Have fun on your 5 day trip junior turd, F U too.

Somehow the fabulous PBS allowed me to get 6 on, 2 off...(and I'm not junior), and its not that I don't know how to use PBS either(even went over my bid with one of the PBS "trainers" because I was sick of getting crappy schedules with it)!

 

[Rekks Inbound]

They say want 70% of the cards back. Last time they had 70 % they still got voted down anyway.Thank god for that. I dare say that SkyWest would probably be out of buisness like ACA if that union drive passed in 1999. Basically the majority is not interested in actually voting for the union so this drama with letters back and forth is just one desperate gasp of air trying to keep intrest alive. It is actually turning people off.

All I can say, is WOW! It is now obvious to me that you could NOT have been in this business for more than 2 years, since you would know that ACA MANAGEMENT made the decision to go independent (a flawed BUSINESS plan, by flawed MANAGEMENT). A lot of ACA guys are at AWAC now, and although they would have liked it to work, it was not ALPA's plan. I get this from them whenever I fly with them (all great guys and gals, by the way).

You get dumber by the minute!

Rekks

 

[HelloNewman]

All I can say, is WOW! It is now obvious to me that you could NOT have been in this business for more than 2 years, since you would know that ACA MANAGEMENT made the decision to go independent (a flawed BUSINESS plan, by flawed MANAGEMENT). A lot of ACA guys are at AWAC now, and although they would have liked it to work, it was not ALPA's plan. I get this from them whenever I fly with them (all great guys and gals, by the way).

You get dumber by the minute!

Rekks

Actually ACA management tried to salvage the UAL flying. The pilots were the ones that voted down the chance to stay in the game. They were advised by none other than your precious ALPA. That being said lets look at the Skywest side of things for a minute. The hotline has not been updated the last two pay periods. The dumbasses PROMISED to update it every pay period. They just cancelled the meeting in ORD at the last minute. Boy talk about an unorganized union drive.

I think the retards in the OC are finally realizing their efforts are futile. Either run a vote or go away. Basically the ALPA/OC are a bunch of cowards. They know the majority don't want ALPA so they try and create as much drama as possible to keep some interest alive. They sure look like morons though, especially promising a meeting in ORD today then cancelling it at the last minute! LOL they are bumbling, unorganized idiots. They should be called the UOC, unorganized commitee LOL. Maybe they can write us all a letter about how it is unfair that Skywest pilots hang up on ALPA people when they call hahaha.

 

[Howard Hughes]

These ant-ALPA people kind of remind me of the "make peace not war" people that protest anything dealing with the military. They enjoy the freedom to go on their little rants and carry on like they do but dont realize that same freedom must be protected and fought for at a price. These lemmings that think not having a union and therefore lack of ability to engage and fight the constant attacks of work rules and pay our industry is frought with do not deserve ANY of the benefits their ALPA brothers/sisters, past or present have brought them. My prediction is that the regionals have reached their mature phase of the business cycle and in the coming months start the decline phase, ultimately being reduced in scope and size. Lets make a list of those who stepped up to the plate to DO SOMETHING to make a difference and separate them from those who were only interested in securing more shiny jets for themselves at the expense of ultimately every pilot in the industry around them. These lame weenies that can only think in the singular need to be accounted for and when the time is right, left behind (ie blocked from advancement to other companies while the people willing to fight the good fight are elevated away from the sheep that only gave a dang about themselves). Off soapbox.