Skywest..ALPA?

[SkyNation]

and then after 5 or so years when we get that first POS contract, Unionistas will say 'hey, don't complain. these things take time, this is just our first contract. We'll do much better on the next one.'

then, after another number of years................

wash, rinse, repeat

but hey, at least we'd be in the club, right?

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Your first contract would be the rules and wages you CURRENTLY work under, this is as per the RLA. The only way you would end up with less is if your NC wasn't doing its job. If they are doing their job, they will use the contracts at carriers like XJet and AWAC, as well as your own manual, to base a your new CONTRACT on. Also, you would have a vote on any new TA before it becomes effective.

Yes, after a few years of negotiation you might have to do info picketing or possibly strike, but a strike would not be in the companies' best interest. None of the arguements against ALPA that I see posted here on this subject are based in any fact whatsoever.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[skyhogg]

These guys are simply outrageous. This letter certainly sets the tone that if ALPA comes in it will automatically turn into a hostile work environment. News flash OC members you don't speak for us yet so until then please stop pretending to speak on behalf of all SkyWest pilots. If we go union you also give the company less flexibility, spend 2% of your check every year, hostile pilot/management negotiations, no guarantee of QOL/Wage increases at all.

You are an unbelievable hypocrite!!

 

[CFIT]

Your first contract would be the rules and wages you CURRENTLY work under, this is as per the RLA. The only way you would end up with less is if your NC wasn't doing its job. If they are doing their job, they will use the contracts at carriers like XJet and AWAC, as well as your own manual, to base a your new CONTRACT on. Also, you would have a vote on any new TA before it becomes effective.

Yes, after a few years of negotiation you might have to do info picketing or possibly strike, but a strike would not be in the companies' best interest. None of the arguements against ALPA that I see posted here on this subject are based in any fact whatsoever.

Peace.

Rekks

Neither are any of the arguements for ALPA either.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Quote from CFIT-I honestly fear what this place will be like if ALPA gets voted in and the 3-4 years it takes to get a contract.

How long did it take for us to get our last one? (which btw, had 0 QOL issues in it)

Quote-The policy manual is written very open to interpretation, and thus will be taken to the companies benefit.

As any company does anyway. Mesa's J.O. is proof of this. However if our current policy manual IS a contract as seen in the context of the RLA, would'nt said policy manual be subject to grievance?

quote-I have been told by someone in upper management that they can easily stretch out contract negotiations for 4 years, during which the company would greatly benefit.

I probably wouldn't dispute you there. However as I've said before- I don't think JA's a bad guy. Alot can change in this industry in 4 yrs. If a more "labor friendly" govt. comes to power, all bets are off. Besides would the Co. really fire the first hostile shot? A well educated and professional MEC is what keeps it on good terms.

I don't think anyone supporting this drive wants to make SKW any less competitive than it is now. Together we could find ways to improve some of our QOL, pay, and other issues.

 

[XPOO]

Look, if its not broke, don't fix it. Stop trying to stick your square peg in the round hole. If ALPA made sense at SkyWest it would be here already. Take your numerous defeats and walk off the field a man and not a sore loser. ALPA is not David, they are not Rocky, they aren't even Rudy. ALPA can't tackle JO, so what makes anyone think they can tackle JA? All this talk about how SkyWest's sky is going to fall and ALPA can save us is hysterical. Carry on.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Look, y'all either vote the union in or don't. But stop rehashing nthe same arguments about it over and over! You're not going to change each other's minds!

All of the information is out there. Just make up your mind, vote your conscience, and stop telling each other how to vote!

 

[XPOO]

Look, y'all either vote the union in or don't. But stop rehashing nthe same arguments about it over and over! You're not going to change each other's minds!

All of the information is out there. Just make up your mind, vote your conscience, and stop telling each other how to vote!

You're a tad annoying, but I like the way you think! LOL!

 

[SkyNation]

Look, y'all either vote the union in or don't. But stop rehashing nthe same arguments about it over and over! You're not going to change each other's minds!

All of the information is out there. Just make up your mind, vote your conscience, and stop telling each other how to vote!

hear! hear!

the sooner we move beyond this silliness, the better! they only have 55% of cards in, which includes plenty of people who just sent it in to 'just see what happens.' the actual number that would actually vote for ALPA in an election (if they ever get around to it) will be less, or MUCH less, than that percentage.

let's have the vote now and get on with life.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The SkyWest pilots have not seen the local benefits of ALPA and just because you are ALPA doesn't mean it is a hostile work environment. JetExpress seems to have a good relationship with management and they are working together to do some interesting things. It seems FedEx guys are pretty happy and even the most militant arm of ALPA, Delta pilots, are happy(ier) these days.

In the history of our profession there have always been pilots like Hello Newman. The Air Mail pilots used to suffer a mortality rate which once reached 80%. When 10 other more experienced pilots determined a flight was too risky - there was a Hello Newman willing to launch. Today there is always a Hello Newman who is eager to run over and try to undercut a pilot who has negotiated a raise, or better working conditions. Hello Newman is simply out for himself.

To want to belong to ALPA is to want something more for your profession. To want to work with other professionals to raise the standards in your industry.

Today we face a crisis in the United States. US airlines are understaffed and working conditions at airlines in China, India and the Arabian desert are better jobs than flying in the nation that invented powered flight. This is a crisis brought about by alter ego replacement flying which now makes up as much as 49% of some major carrier's block hours. The only way to face this problem and make for a more stable future is to come together in such a way that a pilot's concessionary pay is not the factor which decides which airlines prosper and which airlines fail.

We can not afford to leave part of this profession behind. With 49% of the mainline flying having been put out to bid there are fewer mainline jobs for us to "escape" to. With no brand, our leased airplanes can be transferred as fast as new, cheap, replacement labor can be trained.

ALPA is the only effective way to coordinate a response amongst pilot groups.

Is ALPA perfect, no. But is there a better solution to the Hello Newman factor? The way I see it, ALPA is the only way to work together to raise our profession.

With Globalization/Liberization of the airline industry, those who control this industry (and that is NOT pilots) want to simply lower the standards of US pilots to the rest of the world.

The US Air Line Industry is the envy of the world, except the cost. It can go two ways... The US industry can be brought down to the rest of the world or the world can be brought up....

ALPA has an INTERNATIONAL presence........

Are you going to help ALPA help the Air Line Pilots?

Specifically for the Skywest, Colgan, AirTran, jB etc.. pilots... simply put you are not engaged on the international scene. Yet the international scene is where your next 10-20 years will be defined.