Skywest..ALPA?

[Brazilgun]

It depends on what measuring stick you use...

If you look at ALPA in terms of what is the organization doing for me right now, then you can look at those tangible items.

What you don't see what ALPA does for the profession is much more profound. But in order to "see" you have to look. You have to activate.

ALPA is a political organization, not personal assistant to your career. ALPA doesn't wash you, put on your uniform and open coach door like a 18th Century Lordship would be treated....

There are many things that ALPA does nationally and internationally that most pilots don't know about. Why? Because pilot refuse to get connected. There are forces and changes occuring constantly, such as Open Skies, that effect your career. What do you know about Open Skies?

There are events, such as making a terrorist act akin to striking, that are stopped that you don't hear about, but if a legal job action were equating to an act of terrorism then you ability to negotiate a better BA would be seriously hampered..

Also, there is an expectation of ALPA, whether it is real or not, that ALPA is supposed to protect ones career. Well, yes, but it is not that simple and easy. In addition, management and the FAA doesn't have an obligation to listen to a pilots concern. ALPA does.

I appreciate your answer. I agree with you. I know ALPA has done more then just try to provide better TA for the pilots. I just don't think that ALPA alone made those changes. They only occurred because the pilot group spoke up about it. I strong believe that if we have a major issue today, the pilots can speak up and could get things done, regardless if you're ALPA, teamster, SAPA, Southwest Union, etc.
I don't have anything against ALPA. At Mesa(my previous airline) things were bad, but they would have been much worst without ALPA. I just don't understand this "fever" about getting ALPA on Skywest. I don't drink the koolaid they give us here, I just simply think with ALPA things will take a turn for the worst.
I said it once and I will say again. If you can prove to me things will be better here with ALPA around, I will vote tomorrow morning.

 

[SkyNation]

I just don't understand this "fever" about getting ALPA on Skywest. I just simply think with ALPA things will take a turn for the worst.
I said it once and I will say again. If you can prove to me things will be better here with ALPA around, I will vote tomorrow morning.

you are in the majority in your feelings. when it comes down to it, most of us (many former ALPA) realize that even though it's not perfect, what we have here at SkyWest is really good.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I appreciate your answer. I agree with you. I know ALPA has done more then just try to provide better TA for the pilots. I just don't think that ALPA alone made those changes. They only occurred because the pilot group spoke up about it. I strong believe that if we have a major issue today, the pilots can speak up and could get things done, regardless if you're ALPA, teamster, SAPA, Southwest Union, etc.
I don't have anything against ALPA. At Mesa(my previous airline) things were bad, but they would have been much worst without ALPA. I just don't understand this "fever" about getting ALPA on Skywest. I don't drink the koolaid they give us here, I just simply think with ALPA things will take a turn for the worst.
I said it once and I will say again. If you can prove to me things will be better here with ALPA around, I will vote tomorrow morning.

You mean like the fantastic 0%, or even better 1% pay increase SAPA negotiated for a 101/2 year time frame?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I appreciate your answer. I agree with you. I know ALPA has done more then just try to provide better TA for the pilots. I just don't think that ALPA alone made those changes. They only occurred because the pilot group spoke up about it. I strong believe that if we have a major issue today, the pilots can speak up and could get things done, regardless if you're ALPA, teamster, SAPA, Southwest Union, etc.

You have a point...up to a point. Recall that SWAPA, APA and NPA purchase critical services to negotiate thier contracts. Also the NTSB invites ALPA to accident investigations even if it wasn't an ALPA pilot flying the jet. No other pilot group is routinely invited to be party. ALPA has been called by a former FAA Administrator- the conscious of the airline industry.

The airline industry is global now. Taking an isolationist position is what the Skywest pilots are doing and its going to come back to haunt.

Everyting that effects your career is determined at some point, some way, on Capitol Hill. What are the Skywest pilots doing on CapHill? Not much if anything at all.

With the new Open Skies deal that is coming and the massive changes that could effect Skywest pilots, they will have no say in thier future. Whether that future is at Skywest or a career destination.

I don't have anything against ALPA. At Mesa(my previous airline) things were bad, but they would have been much worst without ALPA. I just don't understand this "fever" about getting ALPA on Skywest. I don't drink the koolaid they give us here, I just simply think with ALPA things will take a turn for the worst.
I said it once and I will say again. If you can prove to me things will be better here with ALPA around, I will vote tomorrow morning.

Is the above that I've said enough? If not... tell me why.

 

[sweptback]

True, the pilots also turned down another concesionary deal that would have helped the company.

More correctly, the pilots turned down a concessionary deal because they knew it wouldn't help the company. It would just be used as a benchmark at other airlines.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Here is another example. Letter just dropped today by the OC.



Who the hell do these people think they are? Have any pilots complained about the lack of ALPA information available? They call us all the time, they are always talking to newhires, they have fliers everywhere. Did they have access to V-files during the last campaign? If not why didn't they complain then? There is also a right to not be bombarded with union crap. These guys are really something else. I have never heard any pilot complain about the stuff these guys are whining about. What a waste of resources. There is no where in the RLA that says the company has to help ALPA get voted in. That is ALPAs job to convince us to vote for them. So far they are doing a piss poor job, especially with letters like this.

The tone just keeps getting more and more hostile. More and more pilots are getting fed up with crap like this. They are only hurting their cause not helping it. BTW still waiting for that VARS update that was due over a week ago. They are terrible at keeping promises but good at trying to ruin our relationship with management.

I'm confused. What does a letter from ALPA have to do with your attempt to speak for me (see post 62)? Time and again you use words like 'we' and 'us'. Try on the word 'me' or 'I' next time. I'm tired of your need to validate your worthless, short-sighted opinions by saying that you speak for the pilot group at SkyWest.

There is also a right not to be bombarded with union crap

You don't have a right to not be bombarded by 'union crap'. You have the right to throw it in the trash prioir to reading it, however.

I have never heard any pilot complain.........blah, blah, blah

You apparently don't pay attention to anyone but yourself, do you?

.......but good at trying to ruin our relationship with management

You mean the one-sided, shove PBS down our throats, change the rules regarding how we get paid for cancelled legs relationship? Sounds kind of like the relationship one has with a spouse that has become an overbearing, holy-than-thou know-it-all like you.

 

[SkyNation]

Arctic

My life has gotten much better since PBS came on. I make more than my friends at other airlines who are similar to us. I am happy here, and feel like we have a good thing going overall.

so, who speaks for 'us' or 'we' at SkyWest, you or me? neither? both?

it's stupid to argue, of course everyone's situation is different. as for the ALPA debate, if more people feel like you, then it should sail through to a majority vote. if not, it will falter. we can only wait and see.

in the mean time, many ALPA carriers are hiring. I've worked at one, have you?

(no, it wasn't Mesa)

 

[ArcticFlier]

Quite frankly, you haven't got a freakin' clue how I feel about ALPA. You may assume that I'm for ALPA, given my tag below......................but what you don't know is my motivations. Stop with the assumptions as they make an ass out of you. I've seen what ALPA has done to many people............right or wrong. In my case...............take a guess............................can't can you? Where do I stand? If I took the emo stand, I'd be anti ALPA. If I took the intellectual stand...............where would I be? Answer that, my friend. Again, you can't.................from an educated standpoint. I'm tired of HelloNewman attempting to speak for all of us at SkyWest............that is all............


Normal Speed,

 

[SkyNation]

ouch! touchy, touchy.

ok, so where do you stand?

(honest question)

 

[CFIT]

Artic,
An extensive survey was conducted concerning PBS, and as a surprise it had substantial amount of participation considering much of our pilot group has been tagged as apithetic. If I recall there were well over 1500 pilots that responded. The high majority had given a PBS a strong vote of approval, and when asked if they had a choice to return to the previous built line format wanted to remain with PBS.

Although I am not a real big fan of PBS either, and very senior, I think it's an improvement.