ASA No Flap Ldg in SBN

[CarjCapt]

Max tire speed is 182. So hopefully it is lower than that.

At max landing weight the ref speed is less than Vtire, unless you land down wind or above MLO.

My first 0 degree landing (first flight for the CRJ to ATW) was nerve racking but uneventful. The next several 0 to <20 degree flap fail landings became SOP.

 

[FlightTraker]

CarjCapt,

I worked for OH in ATW at the time, I remember that


FlightTraker

 

[tuna pimp]

How do you know the FO wasn't the one that landed?

Guess I shouldn't assume that.

I'm not an airline pilot; if there is an emergency (of any magnitude) and the captain is the PNF on the leg would he typically take control of the aircraft? What is usually done in this sort of instance in a 121 enviornment?

 

[CFI2766]

Guess I shouldn't assume that.

I'm not an airline pilot; if there is an emergency (of any magnitude) and the captain is the PNF on the leg would he typically take control of the aircraft? What is usually done in this sort of instance in a 121 enviornment?

Not always the case...

I'm a relatively new hire on the a/c I fly, but I've already had two flights with recent captain upgrades where I've had more time in the airplane than the captain that I was flying with. In both cases each of the captains told me that if something went wrong, and I was flying the aircraft well, they would let me continue to be the pilot flying while they handled everything else. I don't know if it is taught that way, but it makes sense: if you are not flying the airplane, you have more mental capacity available to handle the abnormal/emergency situation.

 

[legalalien]

How do you know the FO wasn't the one that landed?

Don't know about other carriers but at ASA the Captains are the only ones who do no flap landings in the Sim. So it would make sense that they would do them in the aircraft.

 

[regionalcap]

In most emergencies (such as engine failure), I would think that most captains prefer to make the landing.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Not always the case...

I'm a relatively new hire on the a/c I fly, but I've already had two flights with recent captain upgrades where I've had more time in the airplane than the captain that I was flying with. In both cases each of the captains told me that if something went wrong, and I was flying the aircraft well, they would let me continue to be the pilot flying while they handled everything else. I don't know if it is taught that way, but it makes sense: if you are not flying the airplane, you have more mental capacity available to handle the abnormal/emergency situation.

Yes this is generally considered to be a good procedure since multiple-crew airplanes have been around. Unless it is a no-flap or other thing that I don't trust you with.

 

[OCP]

I was on an ASA flight a couple of months ago that did a no flapper into YYZ. Captain did an outstanding job explaining the situation to the passengers; what to expect (shallower approach, higher speed, agressive braking, fire engines etc). Flight attendant did an extra strict job securing the cabin.

Absolute professionalism on both sides of the cockpit door from this ASA crew.

Captain greased the landing too.

That was my flight and I can say it was just like the sim. Couldn't ask for a better day. Clear and a mil and a long runway. Flaps zero.
To answer another question about that, FOs don't train for no flap landings (don't know why) so the CA did the landing. (at least at ASA)

 

[Avpilot]

When I had my no flapper in the ERJ, I was an FO and I did the landing as it was my leg. Of course the captain let me know in clear terms that if I started screwing up, the show was over for me. Everything went ok and we kind of talked eachother through it. I was thinking out loud on everything so that he would be able to see what I was thinking/planning on doing next...and he gave advice on the approach as we came down.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Don't know about other carriers but at ASA the Captains are the only ones who do no flap landings in the Sim. So it would make sense that they would do them in the aircraft.

FO's have to do it in the sim here.

 

[bertengineer]

Actually, "I" didn't disarm them. They were disarmed somehow by the new guy I had with me, I assume during the after takeoff check when he was switching the reversers off. So, yes, it's my fault I didn't see the status message, especially after the flaps failed on approach. Then again, it was a CHA-ATL flight, so it's not like I flew around for 2 hours without noticing the message. Either way, I think "idiot" might be a bit harsh. Come to think of it, "ASAhole" might be a bit harsh also. Admittedly, I misspoke in my first post when I said "forgot to arm", so I understand the confusion. Then again, you might be just be a turd. Who knows?

I just want to say that you have kept a good attitude considering what some have typed. Nice Job!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Flaps




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CRJ = Cameltoe Regional Jet????????

 

[dash8driver64]

I guess I must be "Sleprock" or something because I just did my 5th no flapper Tuesday pm. Whatever the problem is I hope they fix it soon. Rumor has it something about the new grease and /or shims. I got an idea. GO BACK TO THE OLD STUFF B4 SOMEONE GETS HURT. hopefully it will just be their feelings though!

 

[five-alive]

I was on an ASA flight a couple of months ago that did a no flapper into YYZ. Captain did an outstanding job explaining the situation to the passengers; what to expect (shallower approach, higher speed, agressive braking, fire engines etc). Flight attendant did an extra strict job securing the cabin.

Absolute professionalism on both sides of the cockpit door from this ASA crew.

Captain greased the landing too.

A proper no flap landing is not supposed to be greased, so it was most likely the FO.:laugh:

 

[Oakum_Boy]

That is true.

 

[PooPooPants]

Don't know about other carriers but at ASA the Captains are the only ones who do no flap landings in the Sim. So it would make sense that they would do them in the aircraft.

I'm an FO at ASA and just did a zero flap landing two weeks ago. The captain asked me if I was comfortable and I said yes. FO's at ASA do zero flap landings in the sim but I think only during initial training. With a long runway it doesn't seem to be a big deal.

 

[yournextFO]

In most emergencies (such as engine failure), I would think that most captains prefer to make the landing.

maybe, but as an FO I landed an RJ single-engine not too long ago...

 

[ASARJMan]

Flaps



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LMAO! Camel toes!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I can't believe this generated 4 pages. Don't we have anything better to talk about?

PS, Lance Uppercut, you're a total loser. Since you know it all, why haven't you upgraded yet?

 

[MELIT]

Idiot. Why would you disarm them. Fcuk, now you know why mngmt thinks so little of you ASAholes.

ASAholes...I like that one. What other ones can you come up with. (Limit 3 per post)