ASA No Flap Ldg in SBN

[cubflyr]

Beautiful no flap landing by ASA in SBN this afternoon. Very nice job folks. What's a typical landing weight, no-flap Ref speed in a CRJ?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

47,000 lb landing ref is 172 kts.

 

[DoinTime]

IMO the CRJ lands better without flaps.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

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[FmrFreightDog]

IMO the CRJ lands better without flaps.

Until you try to land it at 0 flap and forget to arm the GLDs (which I may have done once). That gets interesting. Think skipping a stone across a pond!

 

[DoinTime]

Until you try to land it at 0 flap and forget to arm the GLDs (which I may have done once). That gets interesting. Think skipping a stone across a pond!

Why would you have ever disarmed the GLD's?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

guess those flaps don't do a lot for the CRJ... The Avro would go from about 120 with to about 200 at flap 0. Anyone know what the 744 would be no flaps?

 

[goahead]

Why would you have ever disarmed the GLD's?

Yea no shi_t

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Until you try to land it at 0 flap and forget to arm the GLDs (which I may have done once). That gets interesting. Think skipping a stone across a pond!

Idiot. Why would you disarm them. Fcuk, now you know why mngmt thinks so little of you ASAholes.

 

[Avpilot]

I've done this in the ERJ with passengers and stuff. I think our final speed was around 163 or 165, I don't remember which. It wasn't a big deal...I think the ERJ generally has better slow speed characteristics than a lot of jets. That speed was actually a good 30 or 35 knots above stall, whereas on a normal landing we may be 15 or so knots from it.
Tim

 

[kingairpilot]

IMO the CRJ lands better without flaps.

ditto.

but it does really screw up your landing flow. There you are, all fat dumb and happy, checklist complete, trucks out...wondering why the beeeeeaaacccchhhh won't slow down on final...oh...Gear Down.

ka

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What are flaps?

 

[Edge540]

What are flaps?

Flaps




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[Mongolikecandy]

Flaps




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Quite possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen on FI.
BTW... Best landing I ever had in the RJ was at flaps 20.

 

[Sawmill]

Classic Edge540!

 

[Thermocouple]

I've done this in the ERJ with passengers and stuff. I think our final speed was around 163 or 165, I don't remember which. It wasn't a big deal...I think the ERJ generally has better slow speed characteristics than a lot of jets. That speed was actually a good 30 or 35 knots above stall, whereas on a normal landing we may be 15 or so knots from it.
Tim

Per part 25, the minimum ref speed for the certification of a transport category aircraft is 1.23 times VSO. That means if you have a 135kt ref and likely a min approach speed of 140, then you have a stall speed no higher than 110 kts, which is a 30 kt spread.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Idiot. Why would you disarm them. Fcuk, now you know why mngmt thinks so little of you ASAholes.

Actually, "I" didn't disarm them. They were disarmed somehow by the new guy I had with me, I assume during the after takeoff check when he was switching the reversers off. So, yes, it's my fault I didn't see the status message, especially after the flaps failed on approach. Then again, it was a CHA-ATL flight, so it's not like I flew around for 2 hours without noticing the message. Either way, I think "idiot" might be a bit harsh. Come to think of it, "ASAhole" might be a bit harsh also. Admittedly, I misspoke in my first post when I said "forgot to arm", so I understand the confusion. Then again, you might be just be a turd. Who knows?

 

[stooge]

Flaps




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wow

just wow

 

[DoinTime]

...I think the ERJ generally has better slow speed characteristics than a lot of jets.

Thats because the ERJ is actually a turboprop.

 

[N813CA]

Max tire speed is 182. So hopefully it is lower than that.