PCL off the Runway in TVC--no injuries

[motch]

My support for the crew and especially the Captain.
Hang in there.. Sir.

Always
Motch

 

[DC8 Flyer]

There's some big news coming from NASA in a few weeks on this. NASA aeronautical/human factors scientists have determined that you must have flown exactly 1337 hours - no more, no less - before you can successfully and safely fly a regional jet.

Amazing.

Am I the only one that gets that.....

 

[Inconceivable]

if you don't you are just a n00b.

 

[Lear70]

*snicker*

1337...hmmm...

On a more serious note, I'm just grateful that there wasn't anyone hurt or killed, regardless of experience in the aircraft.

And we were just having this argument over on the majors board... about UAL's hiring of sub 1,000 hour wonder pilots (minorities) in the late 90's.

Anyone who tries to tell me they'd turn down that kind of job (or any job that's better than what they have) based solely on their own flight time is a liar. Period.

"Don't bullsh*t the bullsh*tter."

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Having done that same job for three years at PCL, I know how stressfull and difficult it could get combined with a new trainee, wx, long duty day, winter ops.

My support goes to the cap. ad the pilot group

 

[Jack Mehoff]

so where they trying to lower the bar LITERALLY?

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Ca

Flown with the CA many times, we had a whole month together a while back.

One of the best CA's I've flown with...flies the airplane great...just as good as anyone else I've ever flown with.

I'm very curious to see the details when they come out.

 

[screwed_again]

Yah, it wasn't the center 50 feet plowed it was the 50 feet right of centerline so I had one main in the snow and one on plowed pavement and the nose gear back and forth through both.

Another sound decision at Pinnacle....

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I know the CA involved in this crash... flew with him several times when I was an FO. He's one of the smartest, most skilled, and most methodical pilots I've ever flown with. I have all the respect in the world for him. This is certainly not going to be a "dude" incident.

Something about this stinks of poor/unreliable runway friction readings and a short runway. We all know how terrible the winter precip/contamination measurements can be at smaller airports.

Those of you trying to give 9E crap about running off the end of a runway... remember NWA puts at least one DC-9 off the runway in one of the northern midwest states every winter.

 

[Flyer1015]

Those of you trying to give 9E crap about running off the end of a runway... remember NWA puts at least one DC-9 off the runway in one of the northern midwest states every winter.

Still better than Fedex... Fedex will get you one stopped upside down! :smash:



j/k

 

[LITCHAT7]

My support for the crew and especially the Captain.
Hang in there.. Sir.

Diddo.....Captain is a great guy. He has supported many with his involvment in the union including me.

 

[Quimby]

Looks like Southworst all over again.

How's that glass house, #1 Stunna?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

How's that glass house, #1 Stunna?

Pretty good, thanks. When I go off the end, someone will say "Looks like Peanuckle all over again".

 

[BoilerUP]

Another sound decision at Pinnacle....

Diver Driver is a fairly senior captain at Air Wisconsin.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

There's some big news coming from NASA in a few weeks on this. NASA aeronautical/human factors scientists have determined that you must have flown exactly 1337 hours - no more, no less - before you can successfully and safely fly a regional jet.

Amazing.

Um, Al Gore said in an interview on Oprah it was 1694 hours.

 

[xjgearbtch]

don't forget he invented the airplane

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Guys, obviously I don't know if this helped cause the accident, but looking at the temp on the metar, it's possible. If it was above freezing there in the hours before the accident and it had just dropped to 00 in the hour before the accident, that runway could have been icy as the average FI user's heart ;-)

Throw some recent snow on top of it for fun, and you have an ice skating rink. This happened to us once when it was drizzling most of the evening and had the temperature drop to 00 about 45 min before we landed. Luckily we had a long runway and direct headwind, so we didnt notice it until we turned off on the taxiway and almost slid into a snow bank sideways. Braking was nil and we reported it as such. The tower just about crapped their pants. Going about 5-10 kts on the taxi, we would slide a good 15 feet to stop every time. It was about the same time of night as well, 1am or so. No braking action reports were given to us.

 

[Papps]

yeah I feel bad for the crew, overrunning a contaminated runway is one of those accidents/incidents that has always happened and will always happen.

BA reports are crap at alot of airports and you don't know the whole story until after you hit the brakes at 130+knots just to realize that they don't do anything

 

[DCMartin]

Heres what I dont get

Actual landing distance on a RWY contaminated w/ snow plus the 115% additionional FAR requirement (Wet/Low vis) at 46000 lbs is 6480. If there is slush, ice, higher lnding weight, or just a knot above ref the distance goes up. Landing on a 6500 foot runway with these conditions and a little fatigue doesnt seem too smart.

 

[Papps]

6480 looks wrong, but your probably right. with that being said, if you refuse to fly every flight to a runway that isn't 10000feet long when there is a chance of snow and RW contaminant in the forecast the company may find that they don't need you around anymore. Its just one of those bummer incidents that most pilots look at and say, wow that could have been me.