Airtran: 717 Vs 737

[717capt]

Don't forget gang, they can TA anything they want... big difference between a TA and actually ratifying a contract. The guy thats in charge of negotiations now is the same guy that gave us a sh1t TA 7 years ago and tried to get the pilot group to buy off on it. Thankfully we didn't. Not that the contract we're working under now is great but when the original TA was defeated by an overwhelming majority and send back to the drawing board, the union and the company got the message.

I agree with a few here, I fully expect that a TA will be presented to the pilot group by June or July, and I fully expect it to be rejected again by a large margin.

Unless this thing brings us to a level at or near SWA work rules, I ain't agreeing to it.

 

[717capt]

as far as the 717 vs. 737...... who cares, they pay the same. Go for quality of life issues - good schedules, overnights at home, etc...

What he said

 

[Mooseflyer]

I agree with a few here, I fully expect that a TA will be presented to the pilot group by June or July, and I fully expect it to be rejected again by a large margin.

Well I would certainly hope so (re: rejection)! I watched the DVD and was so pi$$ed afterwards I broke it in half and threw it in the trash. The proposed rates were absurd - and this was the union's OPENING salvo! Nowhere to go but down from there.....sigh.

 

[freightdogfred]

Well I would certainly hope so (re: rejection)! I watched the DVD and was so pi$$ed afterwards I broke it in half and threw it in the trash. The proposed rates were absurd - and this was the union's OPENING salvo! Nowhere to go but down from there.....sigh.

Well, combine it with the dough yer still milkin from the govmint titty, it prob aint half bad.

 

[Falconjet]

Well, combine it with the dough yer still milkin from the govmint titty, it prob aint half bad.

Wow. That has got to be up there with some of the stupidest things ever posted on FI, and that is saying something.

Nice job.

FJ

 

[Lear70]

Well, combine it with the dough yer still milkin from the govmint titty, it prob aint half bad.

Which, really, isn't the point at all.

But thanks for the input.

 

[Steeler Fan]

Which, really, isn't the point at all.

But thanks for the input.

What we do on the side (Guard/Reserve, Real Estate, AMWAY, Texas Hold-em, etc) should have absolutely 0 to do with the next contract we get.


GO STEELERS!

 

[-9Capt]

Don't forget gang, they can TA anything they want... big difference between a TA and actually ratifying a contract. The guy thats in charge of negotiations now is the same guy that gave us a sh1t TA 7 years ago and tried to get the pilot group to buy off on it. Thankfully we didn't. Not that the contract we're working under now is great but when the original TA was defeated by an overwhelming majority and send back to the drawing board, the union and the company got the message.

I agree with a few here, I fully expect that a TA will be presented to the pilot group by June or July, and I fully expect it to be rejected again by a large margin.

Unless this thing brings us to a level at or near SWA work rules, I ain't agreeing to it.

I remember that well. Voted down by 87%. I was extremely vocal about voting down the first TA. I voted no for the current contract as well.

The big difference this time is he has a lot of outside help. Different "expert advisors" for most sections. Seth Rosen has been doing this back when I was crapping my pampers.

Your comment about SWA is dead on. Management asked for a 2 year extension when this contract became amendable. The pilots said NO, and they took it anyway. And we let them. But that's a topic for another thread.

Oh yeah, 717 vs 737.

I love the 717. The 737 holds way too much gas as far as I'm concerned. Transcons?, no thanks, I'd rather fly north/south in and out of Florida. Three 2hr legs per day is what I've been doing for months now. No red eyes, but there are standups. Lots of automation to keep you out of trouble and it can autoland with an engine shut down with 15kts of crosswind at 600RVR.

 

[Freight Dog]

Just curious about your 737NG's, are they similar to SWA's with a six-pack on your displays, or do you guys use speed tape/altitude tape? We fly 737-700 at AQ on ETOPS flights and our setup/automation is very similar to 767-400 and 777.

 

[Murphy]

I fly the 717 but sometimes commute on the 737 to work. The consensus is that you can still get more days off and more credit on the 717. The 717 Captains/FOs who have transitioned to be 737 Captains initially did not like the 737 but now prefer it over the 717. On paper, the layover cities on the 737 appear to better but can't speak from experience since the 717 stays north/south and predominantly east of the Mississippi. I just got done with a 4 day trip with a couple 4 leg days and had two consecutive days with layovers less than 11 hours on the 717. That is a little too short and too much flying for me. I don't buy into the theory that the 717 will totally become the junior airplane. There's been some movement of 717 Captains to the 737 but it's been predominantly junior Captains after their seat lock is up. In regard to upgrade times, it's pretty much up in the air due to contract negotiations, aircraft deliveries, and the merger.

 

[freightdogfred]

Wow. That has got to be up there with some of the stupidest things ever posted on FI, and that is saying something.

Nice job.

FJ

Likw you said...wow. 1367 posts on FI and that's the stupidest one you've seen? read back on some of yer own, Zippy

 

[Britpilot]

Just curious about your 737NG's, are they similar to SWA's with a six-pack on your displays, or do you guys use speed tape/altitude tape? We fly 737-700 at AQ on ETOPS flights and our setup/automation is very similar to 767-400 and 777.

Tapes on our airplanes.

 

[atldc9]

As it is now, the 737 Captain list is very junior compared to the 717. No reason to move for most people.

 

[Steeler Fan]

As it is now, the 737 Captain list is very junior compared to the 717. No reason to move for most people.

Your AVTAR is a painful reminder of an entire season that I'd rather regret. I'm a Red Sox fan too, so if you have any Bill Buckner photos (vs the Miracle Mets), please feel free to post them as well.

 

[Griswold]

How soon are guys getting the call to interview after they sent there app in and they had a senior CA walk there resume in. If the interview goes well how long for the class date?

 

[Lear70]

Interview call times can vary. I've heard of people having their resumes walked in that NEVER get the call. Some take months, others just weeks. Kind of a hit-and-miss kind of thing.

An AIR, Inc or WIA/OBAP career fair goes a LONG way to help.

After interview, calls go out within 7-10 days, sometimes as long as 2-3 weeks, depending on Klaus' schedule (he still reviews all the hiring).

From there, I've heard of class dates being offered anywhere between 2 days to 2 months out. Rarely longer than that.

Times may vary, this is just what I've observed the last year here. Good luck!

 

[Sunking]

Just curious about your 737NG's, are they similar to SWA's with a six-pack on your displays, or do you guys use speed tape/altitude tape? We fly 737-700 at AQ on ETOPS flights and our setup/automation is very similar to 767-400 and 777.

We got tapes not the 6 pack.

 

[Nindiri]

Interview call times can vary. I've heard of people having their resumes walked in that NEVER get the call. Some take months, others just weeks. Kind of a hit-and-miss kind of thing.

An AIR, Inc or WIA/OBAP career fair goes a LONG way to help.

I concur. Nothing for many months, then after the AIR Inc job fair I got a call within a few weeks. LORs and the job fair; that's the ticket, at least it was for me.

 

[Citrusflyer]

Upgrades on the 737/717

Things maybe slowing down a bit if Baker's info is correct. I don't have the big picture, or even a rumor, but if you read between the lines here the growth is over this year after July........


"Turbulent Ride Over For AirTran?" Turbulent Ride Over For AirTran?
Joshua Lipton, 03.21.07, 5:38 PM ET

For the past couple of years, shares of AirTran Holdings have been among the poorest performing in the sector, one of only two large-jet operators to have shed value since the industry turnaround.

But maybe that run of bad luck is about to change.

JPMorgan analyst Jamie Baker believes that relief is potentially in sight for the airline company. In a client note posted Wednesday, the analyst argued that he's seeing a confluence of events occurring in the second half of 2007 that will contribute to earnings sufficiently ahead of consensus.

Baker wrote that AirTran (nyse: AAI - news - people ) aircraft deliveries will cease, albeit temporarily. Last October, the company deferred a total of eight 737-800s. As of this July, the delivery hiatus will begin, lasting until January 2008.

"While still experiencing significant year-on-year growth, the absence of incremental sequential capacity and costs associated therewith is expected to have a positive impact on margins in the second half of 2007," Baker noted.

Shares of AirTran surged 7.8%, or 78 cents, to $10.82 in afternoon trading on Wednesday.

Another cause for optimism: AirTran city additions will stop for a bit.

After announcing seven new cities for the first half of 2007, Baker said he doesn't expect additional announcements until sometime in the second half of 2008.

This temporary cessation should have a positive impact on margins in the second half of 2007, Baker wrote, with AirTran instead concentrating on expanding services in existing, profitable locations.

 

[Ty Webb]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting that. We have pinched all the pennies there are to be pinched. Glad to know they are finally going to focus on the revenue side of the house.


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[Falconjet]

Likw you said...wow. 1367 posts on FI and that's the stupidest one you've seen? read back on some of yer own, Zippy

No zippy, that isn't what I said. So I guess you can't read either. Your post was simply up there with some of the stupidest posts I've seen, I didn't say it was the stupidest. I'm sure you'll keep working on it though, don't sell yourself short.

FJ

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Beside that artical, it as been mention many times on web cast that we would only take airplanes through june or july. Artical is no surprise. I think they said we taking between 14-15 planes next year.

 

[PRINCE AKEEM]

Got The Call Today!!!

HR called today and offered me a class in May! What a hard 10 days it has been since the interview...checking the mailbox and cell every 15 minutes. A special thanks is in order to my friends at AirTran who played a vital role in helping me out. I can't wait to start and I look forward to meeting all of you. Akeem is very happy to be a Tranny and to join you guys!

 

[Lear70]

Congratulations, my Prince. If you work really hard, you may even make manager at McDowell's.

Seriously, good job on the call for class... Now hurry up and push me off these *@$)($*! buildup lines. 13 months and I'm still on buildup lines!!! Jeez Louise.

 

[Murphy]

Akeem,
Welcome to the Citrus Family.

 

[On Your Six]

HR called today and offered me a class in May! What a hard 10 days it has been since the interview...checking the mailbox and cell every 15 minutes. A special thanks is in order to my friends at AirTran who played a vital role in helping me out. I can't wait to start and I look forward to meeting all of you. Akeem is very happy to be a Tranny and to join you guys!

Great job! Have they indicated which aircraft you would "likely" get? Or should we assume that 717 will the choice?

Personally, I am a fan of the 717 and think it would be fun to fly for awhile - despite the slow movement on the fleet.

 

[Griswold]

On Your Six, I thought you work for NetJets

 

[CAPT. NEW YORK]

I will graciously join Akeem in class in May. I too, am very excited to join AirTran and look forward to meeting everyone. Unfortunately, I had to wait one day shy of two weeks after my interview. I will say that each day that passed made me realize exactly how important this job is to me.

To answer your question On your Six...HR told me that as of right now, to expect the 737...but it is always subject to change due to necessity.

 

[Lear70]

Congrats NY...

Latest Vacancy Initial closed with 6 717 openings and 16 737 openings about your class time frame.

None of them were taken by F/O's transitioning from other equipment, all to be filled by new-hires.

Congrats, most of the other classes have gone mostly 717, looks like many of you will get your choice of equipment.

Good luck!

 

[twepilot]

Congrats guys!! Welcome aboard!

RV