Hey Colgan!

[ColganCapt]

THat's funny, 2nd yr FO's just got a 13% raise without a union.

That's a simple gesture to try to keep some FO's from jumping ship since the upgrade time is around 24 months now. And to try to make you not vote in a union. Why not look at the fact that the pay scale for the Q is the same - no raise there but for the CA's.

 

[suupah]

Everyone knows that the pinnacle guys have it rough. HOWEVER lets compare the union shop that has it tough to the Colgan non union work rules and benefits

Colgan: No paid uniforms, No dry cleaning or luggage expenses paid for, No per diem, Expensive health insurance, 2 hour reserve pay, no min pay, 1 hour call out on reserve, heavily scrutinized if you call out sick, difficult to commute to bases, no commuter clause, no 401k matching, no grievance process.

Pinnacle: half uniform is paid for, dry cleaning allowance, reasonable health insurance, 3:45 min pay, 2 hour call out, perdiem, hub bases, grievance process, 401k matching.

If the Colgan management wants to stop the union drive they need to address the issues and not use propoganda.

 

[redflyer65]

Suupah, I'm impressed. Well said. You show exactly what happens under the union/no union situation.

 

[Capn Lucky]

There are much bigger issues than pay at stake with Colgan. Everytime I want to think that TSA ia a bad place, I remember a typical day at Colgan in give thanks for what I have. The reserve system there needs to be reformed and the "Colgan Tours" must come to an end.The outstation basing is innefficient and the constant pt 91 flying is a pain in the butt. Then there is pay.

Pinnacle bought Colgan as a whipsaw. Colganites, do not be tools! The three amigo's in BHB do not care about anyone else. You guys have an opportunity to stop the downward slide in the industry. Please take the opportunity to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. ALPA by itself is not a solution to your issues. Your support for your pilot group and ALPA is a solution. I know how the dirty pack of cigarettes and the boys from BHB will try to manipulate the situation and do not fall for threats.

 

[Mr Wu]

.... The three amigo's in BHB do not care about anyone else. ... the boys from BHB will try to manipulate the situation ....

What's your problem with BHB? Those guys live there and think more of their families than the job. Should they have left so you could have held a line? They are stand up guys that will do whatever they will think is best, which is all that we want everyone to do, whichever side they are on.

 

[TurboAWD]

What has ALPA done for Comair, ASA, Mesa, Air Willy and all the others?

If you don't know the awnser to that, you have not been paying attention.

Turbo

 

[ifly34]

If you don't know the awnser to that, you have not been paying attention.

Turbo

What I have been paying attention to is a lot of people on this board alone are complaining about how the union let them down at Comair, ASA, and certainly Mesa. I haven't noticed a lot of complaining about Air Willy. I guess one out of four ain't bad. Go union. (sarcasm inserted)

 

[Smarta$$]

What I have been paying attention to is a lot of people on this board alone are complaining about how the union let them down at Comair, ASA, and certainly Mesa. I haven't noticed a lot of complaining about Air Willy. I guess one out of four ain't bad. Go union. (sarcasm inserted)

Why don't you ask Horizon, Expressjet, Southwest, Fedex and UPS pilots how they feel about having a union. Ask what a union had done for Delta, United and Northwest pilots before they were robbed by bankruptcy. They had things pretty good before BK, much to the dissatisfaction of their respective managements that would rather have paid them half as much for twice the work.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Where would the MESA pilot be without ALPA? Oh yeah..............bent over a hot stove.

You people act as though history started when you were hired at xyz airline. Do a little research for yourselves and quit expecting others to educate you.

 

[BirdCatcher]

What I have been paying attention to is a lot of people on this board alone are complaining about how the union let them down at Comair, ASA, and certainly Mesa. I haven't noticed a lot of complaining about Air Willy. I guess one out of four ain't bad. Go union. (sarcasm inserted)

And what they are complaining about it is 2x better then how we have it at Colgan (except for Mesa). ASA's 70 seat scale is for an ATR (60-70 slower then the Q400) and our payscale is less. People will always say it can be better, but what do you think payscales would be without any union? Honestly. Look at the history of our profession, even some of the rules we at Colgan live by (FAA regs) are because of ALPA. What would our profession be today if E.L. Cord and other owners of his day had no union to deal with?

 

[V1cutsrfun]

Everyone knows that the pinnacle guys have it rough. HOWEVER lets compare the union shop that has it tough to the Colgan non union work rules and benefits

Colgan: No paid uniforms, No dry cleaning or luggage expenses paid for, No per diem, Expensive health insurance, 2 hour reserve pay, no min pay, 1 hour call out on reserve, heavily scrutinized if you call out sick, difficult to commute to bases, no commuter clause, no 401k matching, no grievance process.

Pinnacle: half uniform is paid for, dry cleaning allowance, reasonable health insurance, 3:45 min pay, 2 hour call out, perdiem, hub bases, grievance process, 401k matching.

If the Colgan management wants to stop the union drive they need to address the issues and not use propoganda.

Ok...PCL has half a uniform pay, nearly double the min pay, double the call out, per diem, hub based, a grievence process, regardless of how long it might take, but better then another F-n memo or a "handbook" that is nothing more then a take it or leave it....and the company can STILL pick and choose whether or not to pay you for what they said they would from their own damn book. I know which way to vote.....


Suupah.... well put 2 beers on me :beer:

V1

 

[Capn Lucky]

Pesonally, I like the guys in BHB. However, they have personal agendas and do not represent the typical regional pilots. I never saw one of those guys be asked to rent a car with his own credit card or get screwed with like most Colgan pilots. I've been informed that they are doing meetings with the cp to discuss ALPA (read threaten). Many love to ask about alpa's acomplishments recently. Regretably, I must respond with a speculation of what situations may be like if ALPA were not there. By itself, ALPA is not a solution, but it is a good tool. The Colgan pilots are the solution.

 

[Mr Wu]

I've been informed that they are doing meetings with the cp to discuss ALPA (read threaten).

You were misinformed.

 

[Smarta$$]

You were misinformed.

Holly cow batman! You know everything!

 

[Capn Lucky]

You were misinformed.

So... they are now pro-ALPA?

 

[better up here]

what about that letter from mike yesterday? some of that didn't even sound legal...i guess free speech and all, but dang. let's just keep it in the family, ha!

the best quote though - "If you sign that card, it may lead to giving away your right to represent yourself and talk to the company directly about your wages, the hours you work and your working conditions."

are you kidding me?

 

[redflyer65]

That's hilarious!

That's what a union does Mr. Colgan!

It's called group representation. The all or none mentality, but I get he doesn't like that idea.

 

[Mr Wu]

the best quote though - "If you sign that card, it may lead to giving away your right to represent yourself and talk to the company directly about your wages, the hours you work and your working conditions."

are you kidding me?

They are telling the truth here. There is a provision that allows a union to petition the NMB for certification based on the initial cards. To date, I don't believe that the NMB has ever certified a union without an election. Could be wrong though, and I'm sure someone from Atlanta will be along shortly to give an example of where it has happened.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

what about that letter from mike yesterday? some of that didn't even sound legal...i guess free speech and all, but dang. let's just keep it in the family, ha!

the best quote though - "If you sign that card, it may lead to giving away your right to represent yourself and talk to the company directly about your wages, the hours you work and your working conditions."

are you kidding me?

Bwahahaha. I would want to sign the card for sure now. Let me tell you, from what I have seen and experienced it's much better with a union. You can put pay aside (although thats important as well) the work rules alone can make a union worth it, and I'm a former Colganite.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Hey if anyone knows were "bullet" went out west PM I think I just met his boss and need his email.