Hey Colgan!

[ColganCapt]

THat's funny, 2nd yr FO's just got a 13% raise without a union.

That's a simple gesture to try to keep some FO's from jumping ship since the upgrade time is around 24 months now. And to try to make you not vote in a union. Why not look at the fact that the pay scale for the Q is the same - no raise there but for the CA's.

 

[suupah]

Everyone knows that the pinnacle guys have it rough. HOWEVER lets compare the union shop that has it tough to the Colgan non union work rules and benefits

Colgan: No paid uniforms, No dry cleaning or luggage expenses paid for, No per diem, Expensive health insurance, 2 hour reserve pay, no min pay, 1 hour call out on reserve, heavily scrutinized if you call out sick, difficult to commute to bases, no commuter clause, no 401k matching, no grievance process.

Pinnacle: half uniform is paid for, dry cleaning allowance, reasonable health insurance, 3:45 min pay, 2 hour call out, perdiem, hub bases, grievance process, 401k matching.

If the Colgan management wants to stop the union drive they need to address the issues and not use propoganda.

 

[redflyer65]

Suupah, I'm impressed. Well said. You show exactly what happens under the union/no union situation.

 

[Capn Lucky]

There are much bigger issues than pay at stake with Colgan. Everytime I want to think that TSA ia a bad place, I remember a typical day at Colgan in give thanks for what I have. The reserve system there needs to be reformed and the "Colgan Tours" must come to an end.The outstation basing is innefficient and the constant pt 91 flying is a pain in the butt. Then there is pay.

Pinnacle bought Colgan as a whipsaw. Colganites, do not be tools! The three amigo's in BHB do not care about anyone else. You guys have an opportunity to stop the downward slide in the industry. Please take the opportunity to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. ALPA by itself is not a solution to your issues. Your support for your pilot group and ALPA is a solution. I know how the dirty pack of cigarettes and the boys from BHB will try to manipulate the situation and do not fall for threats.

 

[Mr Wu]

.... The three amigo's in BHB do not care about anyone else. ... the boys from BHB will try to manipulate the situation ....

What's your problem with BHB? Those guys live there and think more of their families than the job. Should they have left so you could have held a line? They are stand up guys that will do whatever they will think is best, which is all that we want everyone to do, whichever side they are on.

 

[TurboAWD]

What has ALPA done for Comair, ASA, Mesa, Air Willy and all the others?

If you don't know the awnser to that, you have not been paying attention.

Turbo

 

[ifly34]

If you don't know the awnser to that, you have not been paying attention.

Turbo

What I have been paying attention to is a lot of people on this board alone are complaining about how the union let them down at Comair, ASA, and certainly Mesa. I haven't noticed a lot of complaining about Air Willy. I guess one out of four ain't bad. Go union. (sarcasm inserted)

 

[Smarta$$]

What I have been paying attention to is a lot of people on this board alone are complaining about how the union let them down at Comair, ASA, and certainly Mesa. I haven't noticed a lot of complaining about Air Willy. I guess one out of four ain't bad. Go union. (sarcasm inserted)

Why don't you ask Horizon, Expressjet, Southwest, Fedex and UPS pilots how they feel about having a union. Ask what a union had done for Delta, United and Northwest pilots before they were robbed by bankruptcy. They had things pretty good before BK, much to the dissatisfaction of their respective managements that would rather have paid them half as much for twice the work.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Where would the MESA pilot be without ALPA? Oh yeah..............bent over a hot stove.

You people act as though history started when you were hired at xyz airline. Do a little research for yourselves and quit expecting others to educate you.

 

[BirdCatcher]

What I have been paying attention to is a lot of people on this board alone are complaining about how the union let them down at Comair, ASA, and certainly Mesa. I haven't noticed a lot of complaining about Air Willy. I guess one out of four ain't bad. Go union. (sarcasm inserted)

And what they are complaining about it is 2x better then how we have it at Colgan (except for Mesa). ASA's 70 seat scale is for an ATR (60-70 slower then the Q400) and our payscale is less. People will always say it can be better, but what do you think payscales would be without any union? Honestly. Look at the history of our profession, even some of the rules we at Colgan live by (FAA regs) are because of ALPA. What would our profession be today if E.L. Cord and other owners of his day had no union to deal with?