Compass one step closer

[JoeMerchant]

GoJet wannabees are flying there.........

Many GoJet pilots are furloughed mainline pilots - union members at that.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think you are spot on. Compass and Mesaba will be sold within a couple of years to generate $$. That plan hasn't been a very well-kept secret.

There are probably a couple of things that could scuttle that plan, but I think you're prediction is accurate.

Why didn't the NWA MEC agree to the Compass flying going to Mesaba and Pinnacle? Isn't that how "brand scope" is supposed to work????

 

[Occam's Razor]

I believe there are as many pilots, (of any kind) flying for Compass Airlines, as pilots flying at DrewBlows Airlines. Kind of makes your question moot. (Notice proper use of the word "moot.")

1. Kudos on the proper use of moot! You may procreate.
2. I agree with your math.
3. The point of the question was to illustrate this: No NWA mainline pilots have, or will, go to Compass. Our contract gives our furloughed pilots first crack at the jobs there, but it's also apparent that NWA will be recalling all of them to the mainline soon.
4. "DrewBlows" is funny! Keep it up!

 

[JoeMerchant]

1. Kudos on the proper use of moot! You may procreate.
2. I agree with your math.
3. The point of the question was to illustrate this: No NWA mainline pilots have, or will, go to Compass. Our contract gives our furloughed pilots first crack at the jobs there, but it's also apparent that NWA will be recalling all of them to the mainline soon.
4. "DrewBlows" is funny! Keep it up!

3. Couldn't those jobs have been put at Mesaba and Pinnacle? Wouldn't that have been more in keeping with ALPA's "brand scope"? Why create yet another alter-ego carrier to compete in the portfolio?

 

[Occam's Razor]

The Compass agreement is a mainline agreement.

Correct.

That flying could have been given to Mesaba and Pinnacle if ALPA really cared about "brand scope".

S'pose. But that wasn't the terms of the deal, was it? Apparently, pilot groups working for airlines in bankruptcy don't always get the exact terms they want. I think it's safe to conclude that bankruptcy is a bad thing for Labor under the current laws. What do you think?

However since "brand scope" is nothing but lip service, we now have Compass....

1 . YOU don't have squat! I have Compass. It is my issue, and as a Northwest pilot, I am accountable for Compass existing. If it bothers you, I hope you get over it soon.
2. Brand Scope is a function of priorities. Personally, I think it's important, but would put it after a few other important items in my contract.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Why create yet another alter-ego carrier to compete in the portfolio?

The RJDC lawyers told us your last check bounced and they were facing a crisis making their yacht payments...so we agreed to create MORE RJ operators to help 'em out.

 

[DoinTime]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
The Compass agreement is a mainline agreement.

Correct.

The Compass agreement is actually a reprint of the Pinnacle agreement with new financial terms.

2. Brand Scope is a function of priorities. Personally, I think it's important, but would put it after a few other important items in my contract.

Brand Scope was all about saving whats left of this industry. Unfortunatley, because of guys like you who already have it good, future generations will lose out.

 

[Poahi]

Why didn't the NWA MEC agree to the Compass flying going to Mesaba and Pinnacle? Isn't that how "brand scope" is supposed to work????

Because it wasn't up to them.

 

[Occam's Razor]

The Compass agreement is actually a reprint of the Pinnacle agreement with new financial terms.

Really? The Flow-Thru, guaranteed placement for furloughed NWA guys, and advanced longevity pay rate agreement are in the PCL contract? I musta missed 'em.

My bad!

Brand Scope was all about saving whats left of this industry. Unfortunatley, because of guys like you who already have it good, future generations will lose out.

Holy Chicken-Or-Egg Batman! We have a sequence problem!

How exactly do I "have it good"...and do you think it is something that should be retained?

We probably could've given up even larger amounts of pay, and completely gutted our work rules to get true Brand Scope. Then, THEN, you'd be able to move up to...um...well...a sucky job.

Is that what you want?

Brand Scope is a good idea, but it ain't the only idea. From time-to-time pilot groups have to rank their ideas and make a Sophie's Choice. Sorry you don't like the way we chose. Next time, I recommend you skip the Airlinks and go right to the mainline.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

3. The point of the question was to illustrate this: No NWA mainline pilots have, or will, go to Compass. Our contract gives our furloughed pilots first crack at the jobs there, but it's also apparent that NWA will be recalling all of them to the mainline soon.

Excellent! And when does the call go out for newhires so I can shamelessly exploit my family connection??

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Many GoJet pilots are furloughed mainline pilots - union members at that.

I beg to differ there, Joe. I grant you there are some furloughed mainline pilots at GoJet, but they are most certainly not the majority nor do they exist in such numbers to be called "many". ALPA members are few and far between in the GoJet ranks.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Excellent! And when does the call go out for newhires so I can shamelessly exploit my family connection??

"4th Qtr" is when Flight Ops sez they're cranking up the H.R. Dept.

(I might try to fill one of the "line pilot" slots on the interview panel again just so I can ask the "Plane on a treadmill" question!)

 

[FmrFreightDog]

(I might try to fill one of the "line pilot" slots on the interview panel again just so I can ask the "Plane on a treadmill" question!)

If that's going to be an interview question, I won't even bother filling out the application. I'd most likely curl up in the fetal position in the interview due to flashbacks of having to read through the 10 page flightinfo thread on the subject.

By the way, you don't happen to be an ATL commuter do you?

 

[DoinTime]

Really? The Flow-Thru, guaranteed placement for furloughed NWA guys, and advanced longevity pay rate agreement are in the PCL contract? I musta missed 'em.

My bad!

Let me know how the scheduling section turns out.

Holy Chicken-Or-Egg Batman! We have a sequence problem!

How exactly do I "have it good"...and do you think it is something that should be retained?

Well...if you are an airbus captain your making at least $137/hour with workrules that are significantly better than ANYTHING found at ANY regional. You are preaching to the wrong crowd if you think your life sucks. Your profile shows your were a military pilot. Have you ever even worked at anything but a legacy carrier?

Next time, I recommend you skip the Airlinks and go right to the mainline.

If this was a serious statement you are so out of touch its amazing you even know how to turn a computer on.

 

[TurboAWD]

Next time, I recommend you skip the Airlinks and go right to the mainline.

Was that a joke? Do mainline pilots really think that way?

Yeah, I was thinking about going straight to mainline, but I didn't think my Ipod would go well with all the steam gauges on the Diesel 9, so I figured I'd work at 9E and fly a CRJ with all that neat glass untill NWA got rid of the DC9.

Perhaps I could of skipped the airlink BS if you guys hadn't given up the scope on jets. Well, at least you learned your lesson after giving up the 50 seat jets...and the Avro... oh, wait... you didn't. I know that USAir and United caving put you in a tough spot, but it was fairly obvious to everyone that NWA was not in the same position as those two airlines. And that stuff in the "Across the Table" notes on "industry leading" scope was B.S., plain and simple.

Turbo