Dont get mad at Express!!

[Whiskerbizkit]

As a former expressjeter, Im glad that they are finding new markets. In my class now, there are CHQ, MESA, PNL, TSA, and non of them have anything to say good about their company. Express has NOT lowered anything in their contract to get the new flying. Good luck to all that are still there, and I hope you the best.

 

[duck_killer]

Here here, congrats to XJ. A carrier that shows its possible to win contracts without fisting your employees.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

As a former expressjeter, Im glad that they are finding new markets. In my class now, there are CHQ, MESA, PNL, TSA, and non of them have anything to say good about their company. Express has NOT lowered anything in their contract to get the new flying. Good luck to all that are still there, and I hope you the best.

I agree! But man, what a change to some of your former posts on here and other forums

-Neal

 

[croutt]

As a former expressjeter, Im glad that they are finding new markets. In my class now, there are CHQ, MESA, PNL, TSA, and non of them have anything to say good about their company. Express has NOT lowered anything in their contract to get the new flying. Good luck to all that are still there, and I hope you the best.

Neither has ASA, skywest or CHQ. Who cares. Stop making xjt pilots look like idiots. We just took flying away from ASA. XJT has officially joined the ranks of everyone else who is "stealing flying". ASA has been crapped on again. This time form express jet. ASA has not "lowered anything in their contract either". I guess from now on we can look at XJT pilots and say "those scum bags stole our flying". You all act like its ok to take flying as long as you have a good contract. If thats the case AWAC or Horizon should have gotten the flying over you. When I went through class I had an xjt pilot in my class too. So what. XJT is such an arrogant bunch, and I am not the first to say that. Good luck ASA.

 

[duck_killer]

How did XJT steal flying exactly? Or was it more that ASA has some of the most horrible service in the industry so Delta shopped around. Is ASA entitled to fly its current routes until the end of time no matter what? Should Coke stop advertising in new markets, after all they might be stealing some of Pepsi's business. Welcome to Capitalism.

 

[Truckdriver]

Neither has ASA, skywest or CHQ. Who cares. Stop making xjt pilots look like idiots. We just took flying away from ASA. XJT has officially joined the ranks of everyone else who is "stealing flying". ASA has been crapped on again. This time form express jet. ASA has not "lowered anything in their contract either". I guess from now on we can look at XJT pilots and say "those scum bags stole our flying". You all act like its ok to take flying as long as you have a good contract. If thats the case AWAC or Horizon should have gotten the flying over you. When I went through class I had an xjt pilot in my class too. So what. XJT is such an arrogant bunch, and I am not the first to say that. Good luck ASA.

If you work for a regional airline, you are in the business of trying to "steal" flying from the other guys. If you can't handle that, then you should try to get out of the regional airline business. The majors have set up their regional business plan to seek the lowest bidder, and that won't change. As regionals like XJT lose bids, they will have to start undercutting the other guys to put airplanes to work. If they don't underbid and get the flying, they will either have to park the airplanes or start a branded operation that will probably lose money. This whole deal has more to do with the legacy carriers setting it up this way than it does with the regional that are bidding on the flying. It has nothing to do with any of the pilots. Anyone who takes it out on the pilots is a complete moron. You can't stop the CPA business with a union or a contract because the two have nothing to do with each other. The only way a union or a contract may help this business is to get every airline to be represented by the same union and to have one contract for every airline. Airlines should be represented like the teamsters where we have one union, one contract, and seniority portability to other carriers.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Industry leading contract, and getting new flying? Bottom feeders!

 

[flatspin7]

This is not a knock on ASA but maybe just maybe Delta did something completely out of charectar and went with a superior product???

 

[sweptback]

This is not a knock on ASA but maybe just maybe Delta did something completely out of charectar and went with a superior product???

I'll be the first to agree that ASA sucks, but if you think ExpressJet has such a better product than any other regional out there you're kidding yourself.

 

[atr42flyer]

As a former expressjeter, Im glad that they are finding new markets. In my class now, there are CHQ, MESA, PNL, TSA, and non of them have anything to say good about their company. Express has NOT lowered anything in their contract to get the new flying. Good luck to all that are still there, and I hope you the best.

well im my class there was express jet, mesa, psa, pdt, pcl, mesaba. and none of them had anything good to say about their company either whats your point? they obviously left because they didnt like it. chq isnt for everyone. i however love it here.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I'll be the first to agree that ASA sucks, but if you think ExpressJet has such a better product than any other regional out there you're kidding yourself.

ASA is the best regional out there............... except for all the others

 

[ACL65PILOT]

This trend will continue for ASA. It is not a pilot issue. It is a business issue. It is a shot across ASA's management's bow. Clean it up or we will put you out of business. Guess what DAL means it. More ATL flying will be next. Everyone else seems to run a better ship than this place. It is not the flight operations at any Regional. It has to do with ramp operations, mtc, and how our ops centers schedule and route aircraft. ASA does not do this efficiently. 40 minute turns with aircraft and concourse changes looks great on paper but the real world is quite harsh.
DAL has said it loud. We as regional will be held accountable for service. IE clean it up or you will loose your contract. It is about money, but that has been played to about the end of its game and the majors know that. Now it will be about how we treat their customer. They know that the blood that they have tried to squeeze out of the regional airline industry is about dried up. Now they will shift to something else to keep us all guessing.

 

[paid4training]

well im my class there was express jet, mesa, psa, pdt, pcl, mesaba. and none of them had anything good to say about their company either whats your point? they obviously left because they didnt like it. chq isnt for everyone. i however love it here.

Dude I TRIED to read your post but all I could see is that freakin hottie for your avatar. Nice work sir....and Chq is a good company (from what I hear)

 

[Ben Dover]

Two thoughts on this subject:

1. Expressjet should be the obvious choice to everyone. It's been flying to Mexico and doing it well for a long time. I don't know what the destination cities will be, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the cities were common to the Continental system. Thus creating a cost advantage to Expressjet over a newcomer.

2. Being a ten aircraft operation, the "most favored nation" clause in their agreement with Continental doesn't apply. So we really don't know how much "fisting" has taken place in order to get this deal done. Delta may have "fisted" Expressjet who is anxious to find a place for ten planes. Granted the employees weren't asked to take concessions to get this deal done, and that's a good thing. But that doen't mean the company didn't concede to make it happen.

The Point:
Just some things to consider before you go cheering (or criticizing) Expressjet for getting new flying without lowering the bar.

 

[twott driver]

While it does suck for ASA, it also goes to prove that pilot costs are not, ultimately, the determining factor when it comes to the award of flying.

So ASA management can suck a long one when they try and tell me I need to be "cost competitive".

Good luck to XJT. I don't think too many ASA pilots are bitter and twisted about loosing the LAX flying. It was kinda expected all along.

 

[91100 100 set]

I knew there would come a day when my signature would be timely and fashionable again.

 

[makersmarc]

I'm pretty sure that XJT isn't stealing anyones flying. Delta is just being Delta.

Congrats, XJTers

 

[MALSR]

As a former expressjeter, Im glad that they are finding new markets. In my class now, there are CHQ, MESA, PNL, TSA, and non of them have anything to say good about their company. Express has NOT lowered anything in their contract to get the new flying. Good luck to all that are still there, and I hope you the best.

New flying? New markets? ACA tried that too.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

New flying? New markets? ACA tried that too.

Indy tried to go nose to nose with the big boys, with nothing to fall back on. We're experimenting with a small number of aircraft in a market we've studied for years. You people just want to see us fail. Why I have no idea... But you do!

 

[subin30]

so is expressjet gonna stop bashing the chq guess who they claimed to have taken their flying?

oh wait, ofcourse they won't. they say everyone else except themselves are bottom feeders. keep leading the regional industry boys and make us proud!

ps. i personally have no beef with expressjet.

 

[jonjuan]

New flying? New markets? ACA tried that too.

So did Southwest.

 

[SSummers]

This is not a knock on ASA but maybe just maybe Delta did something completely out of charectar and went with a superior product???

Uhh.. Except that XJT doing them at cost. Delta is broke and bankrupt the went for cheap ala Freedom.

Then again Expressjet has the best 600 hour pilots EVER. Just ask

 

[Master Shake]

SSummers, what exactly is your SSource? Don't have one, DDo you? FFlame on. As you WWere. :uzi:

 

[samballs]

Industry leading contract, and getting new flying? Bottom feeders!

Good contract but not the best out there

 

[SkyBoy1981]

so is expressjet gonna stop bashing the chq guess who they claimed to have taken their flying?.

You know, with the exception of a few people I don't see very many XJT pilots bashing CHQ pilots. I don't run into the CHQ guys much, but when I do I always go out of my way to speak to them.

If any CHQ pilots have been treated anything less than professionally by a pilot from XJT, then lets hear about it. I'm not talking about on these silly forums either, I'm talking about real life scenarios. I'm sure there are a few isolated incidents, but I think they are rare.

I will admit that there have been quite a few folks mocking their COEX operation as it does seem to have had quite a few hickups in the developing stages...but that isn't the same as putting down the pilot group.

 

[biggerguy]

MMaster SShake, That was SSSo FFFunny!!! No, RRReally...SSSummerssss SSSoundssss SSStupid!!!



Did anyone Else notice Ben Dovers affliction With "fisting"? That coupled with his name, kinda curious, No?



Oh Yeah, GO XJET!

 

[Master Shake]

Run a search for "fisting" in Limewire and prepare to be amazed!!!!

 

[BigLebowski]

I do have to say...I find it very interesting reading this post. A year ago all I read was how everybody in the industry was a bottom feeder because they are stealing xjet's flying...what is happening with ASA is no different than what happened with CHQ and you.

Some of you need to come off your high horse and back to reality...we're all bottom feeders.

 

[Master Shake]

"Sit down Donny...you're out of your element!"

If they had asked us prior to the Delta deal, most of us would've said screw that, roll the 10 XRs into branded. No one asked us.

 

[biggerguy]

Loblow, don't think we're all jumping for joy that we will fly in place of ASA crews. I applied there with the help of a friend, an ASA pilot, the same time I applied here at ExpressJet. I was called by ExpressJet first, and thats where I went.
That being said, we are excited that our company has found work for our nearly 1000 employees that would have been affected by the reduction in our Cal flying. They have created these new opportunities without coming back to us for any relief in the form of pay cuts. Our charter ops have even added significant pay increases to pilots here, flying the same equipment they already were.

Are we a proud bunch? Yes, but mainly because we like where we work. From our Director of flight ops and others in mgmt, to our senior check airmen and a bunch of guys way senior to me, that made this place what it is today. Yes, it's still a regional, but its a good one. We were due for something, and its a good day!
69 A/C all accounted for. Thank you.

Nothing but respect for ASA crews, and maybe they'll be the next Continental express carrier, when we lose the next round!