Picking Up ASA Open Time.

[John Pennekamp]

I'm trying to pick up more time, but most is already taken! The whiners are the minority - just look at the open time. We are all picking it up.

GO cubicle rats can't pick up open time. Who are you kidding?

Every time you fools come on here, you only help our cause by making management look desparate. Go ahead now, let's hear your "witty" response.

 

[PooPooPants]

Extended is one thing you have no control over unless you're "tired". But getting drafted on your days off is your fault if you answered your phone.

ASA Planning
Always An Afterthought

It's not my fault when your working and ops tells you to call your dispatcher and then they inform of you being drafted for the next day. Am I correct and is there anyway to avoid this? I will never asnswer my phone when I'm off duty but your pretty helpless when your on duty and they contact you.

 

[ASARJMan]

It's not my fault when your working and ops tells you to call your dispatcher and then they inform of you being drafted for the next day. Am I correct and is there anyway to avoid this? I will never asnswer my phone when I'm off duty but your pretty helpless when your on duty and they contact you.

Nope, not much you can do when they get ya like that, other than being sick the next day. You are correct, pretty much screwed when they get ya at work.

ASA MisManagement
Planning? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Planning!

 

[JettBoii]

Everytime I read "these posts" I hate ASA a little more.

 

[601Pilot]

Everytime I read "these posts" I hate ASA a little more.

I agree!

I think we should publish a list every week of the people picking up open time so you will know the kind of person you get stuck flying with and maybe you can convince them against helping this crappy company out of another jam!

 

[av8er2]

Picking up open time only helps extend this contract. Over the next few months if the pilots can really resist picking up time that could make a difference.

 

[doh]

There are many other ways of "sticking it" to the company other than not picking up Open Time. The next CA that tells me not to pickup any open time, i'm just gonna ask him to write me a personal check out of his own account. Absolutely ridiculus! I assume most of you chest thumpers don't have families or debt that needs to be paid off. I set at my desk and see bills that need to be paid etc, then look at open time and see a trip that will pay me a few hundred dollars for doing nothing more than keeping my mouth shut and doing my job. I have a family that I am responsible for and if I can get us out of debt quicker, then that's where my loyalty lies. I'm all for striking, kicking management to the curb etc, but it's noone's place to tell me whether or not to make money to support my family. Like I said, there are many other ways to show your displeasure with ASA. I know all the usual supsects are going to chime in now and call me all kinds of names. That's fine, just PM me and I'll give you my address and you can just mail me a personal check. I take cash also.

You accept tools too?uke:

 

[wms]

Sounds like a lot of mgt commenting on this one.

This means they are very worried if the pilots don't pick up time.

Looking at the long list of open time, about 30 trips, and it's well into the last half of the month. There is usually very little by now. The reason people have trouble picking up open time is because alot of it conflicts with current schedules, not because there isn't much there. Of course, there wouldn't be much open time at all if the company hadn't created a pilot shortage through it's own mismanagement and the driving away of otherwise content pilots. My good supply of loa 27 vouchers will keep me safe for a while.

 

[HelloNewman]

To each ... his own. That is what makes America great.

Bob

Amen to that. Anytime I someone trys to tell me what to do with my days off I tell them to get bent. I said good for you ASA guys you might as well take advantage of the short staffing while you can. Once the airline is properly staffed there is much less open time which means less play money. No need to "take one for the team" by not picking it up. All that does is help other guys laugh all the way to the bank while the principled guys keep turning red trying to tell you what to do.

 

[Tomct]

I'll continue to pick up all of the open time that I feel like picking up. This is a benefit to both the pilot and the company and IS part of OUR pilot working agreement.

Bob

Bob, you better go back to sleep because this is NOWHERE in our working agreement. Do you see 1 1/2 ANYWHERE in our contract...oh yeah, let me see, IF THEY RESCHEDULE ME OUTSIDE MY FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL TRIP!! Not quite the same there FRANCIS! No Wonder you are STILL HERE!

NO WAY I'M GOING TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR SCREWUP.....O MANY!!

 

[FightingIrish]

Bob, you better go back to sleep because this is NOWHERE in our working agreement. Do you see 1 1/2 ANYWHERE in our contract...oh yeah, let me see, IF THEY RESCHEDULE ME OUTSIDE MY FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL TRIP!! Not quite the same there FRANCIS! No Wonder you are STILL HERE!

NO WAY I'M GOING TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR SCREWUP.....O MANY!!

Tomct, have you ever read LOA 17, paragraph A? Here it is:
http://www.asacontract.com/pa/contract/loa17.html

Looks to me like it is in our contract. What say you?
Maybe you should check your facts before you spout off?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

The glass is either half empty or half full. Many of you see picking up open time as helping the company fix its mistakes. I, like many others, see it as helping myself to premium pay. I am more than happy to fly the contract for 150% pay. If you don't want or need the extra cash then don't pick anything up. Just don't preach to me if I do...

Fly Safe...

 

[Tarzan]

How is it a mistake to keep the airline staffed so as not to have to furlough?

You guys whine and cry about this but it's life. Would you rather they have hired a boat load of guys and then furlough them all when the planes expected didn't materialize? Or would you rather suck it up for a couple of months and not have to furlough anybody?

At very least the company isn't having to junior man. But that would just give you whiners one more thing to cry about, huh? How about this, do your dang jobs until the union says walk, then take a walk. I will gladly get out the walking shoes when the time comes but until then, wipe your whoochy and deal with it.

 

[ASADriver]

Most of the people leaving now are going to the majors. The regionals will always have a high turnover when hiring picks. When there is a high turnover, we will be short. When we are short, we pick up open time at 150%. If you don't like it, then leave with the rest that are leaving now.

 

[PooPooPants]

How is it a mistake to keep the airline staffed so as not to have to furlough?

You guys whine and cry about this but it's life. Would you rather they have hired a boat load of guys and then furlough them all when the planes expected didn't materialize? Or would you rather suck it up for a couple of months and not have to furlough anybody?

At very least the company isn't having to junior man. But that would just give you whiners one more thing to cry about, huh? How about this, do your dang jobs until the union says walk, then take a walk. I will gladly get out the walking shoes when the time comes but until then, wipe your whoochy and deal with it.

Ummm...yes they are junior manning, and drafting. Kind of sucks when you finish a four day trip and they realize your still good for another 4 hours!!!

 

[Blucher]

Most of the people leaving now are going to the majors. The regionals will always have a high turnover when hiring picks. When there is a high turnover, we will be short. When we are short, we pick up open time at 150%. If you don't like it, then leave with the rest that are leaving now.

I just want to say congratulations on that 737 type you've got ASADriver. Congratulations! I can see it's helping you keep things in perspective. Just out of curiousity, do you ever miss pitching, or is catching more your speed?

-Blucher

 

[Tarzan]

Ummm...yes they are junior manning, and drafting. Kind of sucks when you finish a four day trip and they realize your still good for another 4 hours!!!

That happens even when there are adequate reserves. And yes, it sucks. But at least no furloughs because they hired too many. Nice dodge at the main point though.

 

[Palerider957]

They will give you an occurrence and a trip failure if it within two hours. Even if your "bender" is from taking flu medicine.

Fins you are right, but occurences don't mean jack $hit (unless you are on probation) This is only a veiled threat by the company, a threat they can't back up. Let them discipline you for not coming in when you were sick, fatigued, or otherwise unfit for duty.

I called off sick for Christmas week two years in a row, when I finally left I called off sick for five weeks straight. The only thing that caused a CP to call me was when the stupid ******* in scheduling forgot to mark me off.

The CP called me and politely asked me what was up. I walked in and turned in my resignation, and haven't looked back.

OCCURENCES DON'T MEAN JACK $HIT.

 

[ASADriver]

Fins you are right, but occurences don't mean jack $hit (unless you are on probation) This is only a veiled threat by the company, a threat they can't back up. Let them discipline you for not coming in when you were sick, fatigued, or otherwise unfit for duty.

I called off sick for Christmas week two years in a row, when I finally left I called off sick for five weeks straight. The only thing that caused a CP to call me was when the stupid ******* in scheduling forgot to mark me off.

The CP called me and politely asked me what was up. I walked in and turned in my resignation, and haven't looked back.

OCCURENCES DON'T MEAN JACK $HIT.

It's A$$holes like you that ruin it for everyone else. This was abuse of sick leave pure and simple. Someone had to fly your trips because you didn't want to work Christmas, or your last 5 weeks. For those of you who think ASA is so bad, here is a pilot who called in sick for Christmas week, 2 years in a row, and for his last 5 weeks. He wasn't fired - I guess ASA isn't that bad after all.

 

[Blucher]

It's A$$holes like you that ruin it for everyone else. This was abuse of sick leave pure and simple. Someone had to fly your trips because you didn't want to work Christmas, or your last 5 weeks. For those of you who think ASA is so bad, here is a pilot who called in sick for Christmas week, 2 years in a row, and for his last 5 weeks. He wasn't fired - I guess ASA isn't that bad after all.

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly say anything dumber than what you said before....
ASADriver, you've really got to pick a side and stick with it. One minute you're all for the 'every man for himself' B.S., the next you're pissed because someone wasn't being a 'team player.' WTFO? You sound eerily like C.V. Both stupid and gargling protein drink, quite the combo!

-Blucher