Picking Up ASA Open Time.

[ASADriver]

av8, so glad you and john p are off your trips this week and able to add to the flight info asa whiner club. despite the tough talk of a few on this board - about every pilot i have flown with or talked to in the lounge or on the bus has tried to pickup open time - so many in fact that most trips are taken.

I'm trying to pick up more time, but most is already taken! The whiners are the minority - just look at the open time. We are all picking it up.

 

[av8er2]

Sounds like a lot of mgt commenting on this one.

This means they are very worried if the pilots don't pick up time.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

Look, we are not slaves. We do have control of our time. Let this Company try to fire someone for refusing a trip on their days off - I really want to read the definition of "Slave" to a bunch of Fulton County residents....

This company has junior manned friends on their way to funerals, even their parent's funerals and handed out occurrences to women who were just carjacked and lost their Certificate after their purse was taken. The one thing that MUST change is involuntary junior manning out of seniority. We are not slaves.

Especially when this "crisis" is the direct result of V.P. Charlie Tutt's threats and SkyWest's actions to reinforce to our pilots that ASA was a sinking ship. Eighty percent of my friends floated a resume within a week of Charlie Tutt's memo and the only reason why any of us are still around is that we have not been hired yet - believe me, we are trying to get off this ship ASAP.

I have no probelm flying my schedule, in fact I enjoy it. But truly, Management's aggressive posture that has encouraged pilots to leave before they were downgraded or furloughed is not my problem now that it has come full circle. My preference would have been that ASA kept its firm orders before the SkyWest purchase, its 900's which were part of that order and our flying. Management likes to play games then expect 100% professionalism out of its pilots - it is a two way street.

 

[Kenney G]

How can anyone be drafted on a day off. Why not just tell them you have been on a 2 day bender and can't fly.

 

[~~~^~~~]

They will give you an occurrence and a trip failure if it within two hours. Even if your "bender" is from taking flu medicine.

 

[AV8700]

they left a nice message today, wanted to know if I was interested in coming in to fly a trip on my off day. HA, not

 

[sweptback]

They will give you an occurrence and a trip failure if it within two hours. Even if your "bender" is from taking flu medicine.

So you get an occurrence. Big deal.

Trip failure is also not defined in the contract nor the FOM. It's a flight attendant thing.

 

[HelloNewman]

There's just nothing quite like someone willing to hold the companies feet to the fire to do what's right...uke:

:bawling: :crying: :crying: :bawling: everyone has a different definition of what's right. The guy simply stated his opinion. Obviously there are others at your airline that feel like him. There is no way to stop people from picking up open time unfortunately. You might as well pad your wallet as much as you can in the processs. Padding your wallet and feeding your family is truly the right thing to do.

 

[atrdriver]

:bawling: :crying: :crying: :bawling: everyone has a different definition of what's right. The guy simply stated his opinion. Obviously there are others at your airline that feel like him. There is no way to stop people from picking up open time unfortunately. You might as well pad your wallet as much as you can in the processs. Padding your wallet and feeding your family is truly the right thing to do.

No one, in their right mind anyway, would consider the company extending these negotiations to over 4 years as "right". If people can't realize that their picking up open time that exists due to management's incompetence is only helping the company to drag out the negotiations longer then they deserve what they get. It is a matter of ignoring the long term consequences for a little short term gain. And don't think for a second that the company is going to remember those that helped them by picking up that open time. I no longer have a dog in this fight thank God, but I still have a lot of friends that do, and they dserve a lot better than what this company is doing for them.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Look, we are not slaves. We do have control of our time. Let this Company try to fire someone for refusing a trip on their days off - I really want to read the definition of "Slave" to a bunch of Fulton County residents....

This company has junior manned friends on their way to funerals, even their parent's funerals and handed out occurrences to women who were just carjacked and lost their Certificate after their purse was taken. The one thing that MUST change is involuntary junior manning out of seniority. We are not slaves.

Especially when this "crisis" is the direct result of V.P. Charlie Tutt's threats and SkyWest's actions to reinforce to our pilots that ASA was a sinking ship. Eighty percent of my friends floated a resume within a week of Charlie Tutt's memo and the only reason why any of us are still around is that we have not been hired yet - believe me, we are trying to get off this ship ASAP.

I have no probelm flying my schedule, in fact I enjoy it. But truly, Management's aggressive posture that has encouraged pilots to leave before they were downgraded or furloughed is not my problem now that it has come full circle. My preference would have been that ASA kept its firm orders before the SkyWest purchase, its 900's which were part of that order and our flying. Management likes to play games then expect 100% professionalism out of its pilots - it is a two way street.

Well said. As the new sticker says "A lack of staffing on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine"

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'm trying to pick up more time, but most is already taken! The whiners are the minority - just look at the open time. We are all picking it up.

GO cubicle rats can't pick up open time. Who are you kidding?

Every time you fools come on here, you only help our cause by making management look desparate. Go ahead now, let's hear your "witty" response.

 

[PooPooPants]

Extended is one thing you have no control over unless you're "tired". But getting drafted on your days off is your fault if you answered your phone.

ASA Planning
Always An Afterthought

It's not my fault when your working and ops tells you to call your dispatcher and then they inform of you being drafted for the next day. Am I correct and is there anyway to avoid this? I will never asnswer my phone when I'm off duty but your pretty helpless when your on duty and they contact you.

 

[ASARJMan]

It's not my fault when your working and ops tells you to call your dispatcher and then they inform of you being drafted for the next day. Am I correct and is there anyway to avoid this? I will never asnswer my phone when I'm off duty but your pretty helpless when your on duty and they contact you.

Nope, not much you can do when they get ya like that, other than being sick the next day. You are correct, pretty much screwed when they get ya at work.

ASA MisManagement
Planning? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Planning!

 

[JettBoii]

Everytime I read "these posts" I hate ASA a little more.

 

[601Pilot]

Everytime I read "these posts" I hate ASA a little more.

I agree!

I think we should publish a list every week of the people picking up open time so you will know the kind of person you get stuck flying with and maybe you can convince them against helping this crappy company out of another jam!