US Recalls

[Crzipilot]

Update from Alpa, 80 positions left to be filled. 255 more letters being sent out 2/1. Letters will go down to the 4/26/99 class.

 

[sonny320]

Looks like more than a 3 to 1 pass ratio.

 

[maikens]

Is that info on the ALPA board

 

[Crzipilot]

Ya it is. ON the main page, under what's new, for today's date I believe. It's hidden under, grievance update. Click on that link, and there's a bunch of stuff on the recall....

 

[VeeOne]

Update from Alpa, 80 positions left to be filled. 255 more letters being sent out 2/1. Letters will go down to the 4/26/99 class.

That has to be getting down to the bottom of the furlough pile, isn't it??? What was the date of hire for the last class at Airways? Did America West have any furoughs too???

Just a little curious as to the thoughts on hiring at Airways. Does anyone forsee any hiring in the next two years or so?

 

[Crzipilot]

Last class was 2/00. and bottom guy is #4599. the number of the guy in the 4/26 class is 3841. Then of course there are the CEL guys under that. Another 94. Then of course they have to go through all the people that have passed, and have them make their final decision. So quite awhile yet actually.

Though the unknown factor is the 190 f/o positions.

 

[sonny320]

The last pilot, so far, that received a "potential" recall letter was hired in 4/99. Has to go down another approximately 750 more in order to get to the bottom of the list.

 

[maikens]

Any idea where the last Pilot with a confirmed Class date falls on the list and when the class date is?

 

[JetMonkey]

As I've said before, "bypass city" I bet they get through the entire list by the end of the year.

 

[Crzipilot]

I don't doubt it with the 190 f/o positions, those the early ones took those positions so who knows. There's no telling as to why anyone has passed positions presently, number of reasons...

but those looking at the hope of Airways hiring....I wouldn't hold your breath...

 

[Rabble]

Are letters going out to pilots who "resigned" under duress in order to find employment shortly after 09/11? Their names are still on the APL... They were called for MidAtlantic positions... They still get info from ALPA...

Inquiring minds want to know. Did you 'resign' and still get a letter?

 

[Crzipilot]

Just looking quickly through an old APL, and the latest one, It appears 1 guy at the top of the list had been listed as RESIGNED, but he accepted recall. Quite a few others are listed as RES, but have passed. So it appears they are sending letters to them. There are a few on the list that are listed as terminated, but it hasn't gotten down to them.

 

[Rabble]

Thanks for the info. It was pretty tough to find work in early 2002. A lot of us did what we had to do to keep food on the table and to fly for a living. (J4J was not yet a possibility even as late as Nov 02) Given the choice, i'm sure none of the letters would have been mailed.

 

[stb]

I saw on the recall list 2 or 3 names were classifed as "terminated", not resigned.

How do you get terminated on furlough?

 

[g-code]

I saw on the recall list 2 or 3 names were classifed as "terminated", not resigned.

How do you get terminated on furlough?

Piss-off Arnold.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Who is Arnold?

 

[ALGFLYR]

Just looking quickly through an old APL, and the latest one, It appears 1 guy at the top of the list had been listed as RESIGNED, but he accepted recall. Quite a few others are listed as RES, but have passed. So it appears they are sending letters to them. There are a few on the list that are listed as terminated, but it hasn't gotten down to them.

AAA does not recognize resigning while being furloughed, however, if an active pilot resigns, they are off the list. So while many on the APL are shown as resigned, they will still be offered recall and may pass or accept.

 

[Swaayze]

Article today (Chicago Trib?) on pilot shortage, ha ha, stated that USAirways will recall 284 pilots this year. IIRC that would mean approx. another 100 after these current 160. Gonna get close to the bottom of the APL, probably to the bottom if many of these are 190 slots. My money's on hiring for the 190 from the street early 2008.

 

[cactusboy53]

VeeOne;
AWA brought back all of the furloughed pilots during 2002 (I believe). After that we hired off the street until the anouncement of the US Airway deal.

 

[cactusboy53]

VeeOne;
AWA was the first ALPA carrier to recall all of the 911 furloughed pilots. We then hired off the street until the announcement of the US Airways deal.

 

[sonny320]

Does anyone know if Usair west are short pilots? I heard last year that the west side might need to recall around 50-60 pilots around mid 2007, if that's so I guess it means that the "east" furloughees will be working under the "west" contract.

Appreciate any info.

 

[VeeOne]

Thanks for the info regarding the recalls guys. Just looking hard at my hometown airline. Time will tell.......

 

[BenderGonzales]

The Letter

Ok. I got "the letter" today.

So how have you folks been wording this reply to USAir (assuming you would like to bypass, but be contacted again for each subsequent bid)?

Have you been sending it via email and then calling to verify it was received? Or do they send some kind of email reply indicating it was received?

 

[vtwin]

Ok. I got "the letter" today.

So how have you folks been wording this reply to USAir (assuming you would like to bypass, but be contacted again for each subsequent bid)?

Have you been sending it via email and then calling to verify it was received? Or do they send some kind of email reply indicating it was received?

"Dear Charmaine,

In reference to the recall letter dated January 15, 2007 for recalls
beginning February 2007, I would like to pass on this one. Please contact me for the next recall."

Sent via email and read receipt requested.

 

[TWA Dude]

Does anyone know if Usair west are short pilots?

Almost. Things are starting to get tight on some categories. The summer might be a different story.

I heard last year that the west side might need to recall around 50-60 pilots around mid 2007, if that's so I guess it means that the "east" furloughees will be working under the "west" contract.

Yes, it means exactly that, as we provided for in our Transition Agreement. It even clarifies how to handle their seniority on the combined list.
Last fall we had a vacancy bid that provided for a handful of recalls here but nothing's happened and there's no word on when it might.

 

[kie8nunu]

bender,

I'm in a similar predicament, got a certified letter yesterday(mon)....I want to defer on this recal, but want to be contacted for future recalls. I'm still in shock that this current recall is going so junior. I'm a 3/99 hire date and thought I would have a few more months to decide....did you speak to Cxxxxxxx or just e-mail. Any info you have would be appreciated. I definately don't want to screw up my chances of going back in the future (6-12 months from now), but right now would be a bad time.

Thanks

 

[BenderGonzales]

I sent an email. Basically said that I would like to defer recall as per section 23I of the pilots working agreement and to please contact me for the next recall. I also asked that she please send a quick reply so I knew she received the letter (which she did).

If they handle it like the handled the MidAtlantic calls in summer 2004, then you could call and say, "i'm ready to come back" if you need to change your selection. ALPA seems to think the company will still have to contact you for each classdate and make a "yes" "no" decision. So I guess we'll see.

My understanding is that they're sending out 3 letters for each actual recall position. So it's likely that it would be months before the actual recall class got to you and I anyway.

 

[Iflewjetz]

I emailed Charmaine last week and asked her a couple of questions. Here is what I emailed her.------

Charmaine,

I am emailing you in regards to the letter I received last Friday for a
possible recall. I am going to pass this time, but would like you to let
me know for the next recall.

If you have time to answer a couple of questions, I would be grateful.
What aircraft are the recalls going out to? What are the bases? For pay
purposes, will we get longevity or do we start back at the year when we
were furloughed?

Thank you for answering any of these.


Now here is her reply::::: I am very CONFUSED as to the answer to the longevity question.::::

Hi recalls are to Group II and Group I (there are a few 190's, however, I
would tell you prior to letting you know what your class date was - just in
case you didn't want a 190 job.). Hi...you would get longevity.


GROUP I ---- isn't this airbus 330????? Group II----isn't this 76/75 "you would get longevity" This means I would start at 9th year pay???? I looked at the numbers on reserve and I still would make less than I am making now, so I passed.

 

[AppBrookie]

I also got the letter yesterday(1/18/99). I called PIT to defer also, I was told that the current recall was for group I and II w/ only a half dozen slots to the 190. I am also "RES" on the list. The do or die letter in the future will be a tough call.

 

[Crzipilot]

Group I is 76/757 Group II is A320/737