27000 to 7000 in 1 minute

[falcon20driver]

King air horiz stab goes solo

http://www.semissourian.com/story/1188041.html

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N777AJ/history/20070202/1439Z/KROG/KCGI/tracklog

http://www.semissourian.com/story/1188041/photo/1070961.html

 

[skiandsurf]

King air horiz stab goes solo

http://www.semissourian.com/story/1188041.html

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N777AJ/history/20070202/1439Z/KROG/KCGI/tracklog

http://www.semissourian.com/story/1188041/photo/1070961.html

They did all that over a shattered windshield. Why didnt they just slow down, declare an emergency and start a slow descent? These guy are lucky to be alive.

 

[Way2Broke]

Skiandsurf, nice Monday morning quarterbacking. They were unconscious until 7000 feet. I wonder how your response would have changed if they would have died. You are right on one thing, they are lucky to be alive.

 

[skiandsurf]

Skiandsurf, nice Monday morning quarterbacking. They were unconscious until 7000 feet. I wonder how your response would have changed if they would have died. You are right on one thing, they are lucky to be alive.

I read the article again. It says that "the pilot depressurized the plane". The only reason that they were unconscious, is because THEY depressurized the plane. Not to mention that they didnt test their oxygen masks. Didnt we learn something about testing oxygen masks after the Payne Stewart accident.

Yeah, its easy for me to sit here on the computer and review this incident, but experience has taught me to "dont let a bad situation get worse". We used to have windshields on the CRJ crack all the time, and I dont recall anyone tearing off the tail.

 

[Way2Broke]

The pilots, who were the only people on board, don't know what caused that, but they immediately depressurized the cabin.

"We were both worried the windshield would blow out. If that happened, we would be dead immediately,"

Okay, I will agree with you there. The windshield coming out of a king air, while not good, certainly should not be considered fatal. We do not know if they did not check the 02, but we do know that they stated that it did not work. Your probably right on with that one too.

Still though, they dug themselves out of a hole and stopped the links in the accident chain. Something has to be said for that.

However, so far the biggest mistake I have seen them make is actually talking to the media.

 

[Thedude]

Yet another reason why most Kimg Air should never see altitude above 20,000

 

[C425Driver]

However, so far the biggest mistake I have seen them make is actually talking to the media.

DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner!

Folks, it's no secret that when it comes to aviation the general media knows NOTHING! Not talking to the media should be a subject taught to new student pilots as the fifth fundamental of flight.

 

[Jetz]

Checklist

First of all, these guys are more than lucky. They were the recipient of divine intervention bordering on the miraculous IMHO.

Anybody have a copy of the Emer checklist for a BE200 handy? What does it say to do in the event of an inflight windshield problem. With regard to the preflight checklist, I can gaurantee it says to check the masks, etc...

I would say these guys deserve some credit for being able to fly this broken bird to a successful landing. O2 system function is something they will never again take for granted...

Congratulations gentlemen!

Anyone else remember when the wing broke off a King Air back in the 80's? The feds came out with a wing strap mod for certain versions. Wonder if a horizontal stab mod will follow this incident. Also, the article says something about the wings being bent. Any pictures out there of the entire aircraft?

 

[Jetz]

First of all, these guys are more than lucky. They were the recipient of divine intervention bordering on the miraculous IMHO.

Anybody have a copy of the Emer checklist for a BE200 handy? What does it say to do in the event of an inflight windshield problem. With regard to the preflight checklist, I can gaurantee it says to check the masks, etc...

I would say these guys deserve some credit for being able to fly this broken bird to a successful landing. O2 system function is something they will never again take for granted...

Congratulations gentlemen!

Anyone else remember when the wing broke off a King Air back in the 80's? The feds came out with a wing strap mod for certain versions. Wonder if a horizontal stab mod will follow this incident. Also, the article says something about the wings being bent. Any pictures out there of the entire aircraft?

Oh, and I forgot to add, "There but for the Grace of God go I." Hope I did not sound overly critical of what they did. Not what I intended in that post.

Again, congratulations on the feat of airmanship in landing that aircraft in the crippled condition it was in, and take those lessons learned with you as you get back in the air. I would fly with either of you anytime. Great job.

Amazing video! http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1244047#post1244047

 

[learflyer]

Forget all that, I think it's pretty scary being only at FL 270, and having that kind of trouble breathing that quickly! Time to revamp the time of useful conciousness chart.

 

[deadstick]

from FlightAware...

10:15AM 37.02-90.00 417 27000
10:16AM 37.03-89.87 391 27000
10:17AM 37.05-89.77 347 25900
10:18AM 37.05-89.68 270 25400
10:19AM 37.03-89.70 104 27000
10:20AM 37.07-89.72 44 27000
10:21AM 37.10-89.77 77 27000
10:22AM 37.12-89.78 102 27000
10:23AM 37.15-89.82 125 7800
10:24AM 37.18-89.75 120 7800
10:25AM 37.22-89.70 138 6800
10:26AM 37.25-89.67 149 5200
10:27AM 37.25-89.60 142 3200
10:28AM 37.20-89.62 58 1900
10:29AM 37.22-89.60 44 1100

They covered 2.63 nm horizonatlly and 3.16 nm vertically. This has a slant distance of 4.11 nm. I make that a 50 deg dive at 240 kts. The pull-out must have been something else.

 

[skiandsurf]

from FlightAware...

They covered 2.63 nm horizonatlly and 3.16 nm vertically. This has a slant distance of 4.11 nm. I make that a 50 deg dive at 240 kts. The pull-out must have been something else.

I always said....

"there are 2 kinds of screw-ups.....1 that "we" (the two of us) talk about, and 1 that the media talks about. Lets keep it to ourselves".

They broke that rule.

 

[Turbinehead]

Anybody have a copy of the Emer checklist for a BE200 handy? What does it say to do in the event of an inflight windshield problem.

There is none.

That was a 2001 King Air, FYI.

 

[FalconPilot69]

There is none.

That was a 2001 King Air, FYI.

Actually, you would be incorrect.

Power : Idle
Props : Full forward
Decend : MMO

You will have a 25 degree down deck angle on an emergency decent. If you have never done one in real life or for practice, and you are flying the 200, you need to do it because it is rather hair raising to actually see it for your self.

In case of shattered windshield, you are to reduce the PSI to 4.6 and rapidly decend to 10,000 feet.

Also, in the case of there not being any O2, and no I was not there, but if you don't pull the handle on the left side of the O2, the only O2 on the aircraft is in the bottle. Also, so many people only do the quick push test to see if they have O2 in the mask, but you need to use it for approximately 10 to 20 seconds to ensure that it is not just air in the line that you are getting. And so you know that I am not making this up, I have been flying the 200 for 7 years with over 1500 hours in them.

By the way, I just watched the video of the landing and those 2 did one hell of a job. I am glad that it ended the way it did.

 

[D_G]

By the looks of the stab, I don't see how they were able to control pitch as well as they did, there was no part of the left stab or elevator and only the right stab and no elevator, the approach and landing looked normal, the kingair is one heck of a plane.

 

[Captainzero1]

I WILL DEFINATELY START CHECKING MY MASK MORE CAREFULLY. gOOD JOB GUYS.

 

[CarjCapt]

Yeah, its easy for me to sit here on the computer and review this incident, but experience has taught me to "dont let a bad situation get worse". We used to have windshields on the CRJ crack all the time, and I dont recall anyone tearing off the tail.

Had 3 CRJ windows crack in my career all above 27000 feet, one on the fo's side and two captains side. The first one we did an emer decent to 10K and then landed. After that we learned that it is a non event. Just check if the A/C is still pressurized/ing and decend to 25K or lower and continue on.

Of course we always check if the emer o2 was working on first flight.

 

[prpjt]

Actually, you would be incorrect.

Power : Idle
Props : Full forward
Decend : MMO

You will have a 25 degree down deck angle on an emergency decent. If you have never done one in real life or for practice, and you are flying the 200, you need to do it because it is rather hair raising to actually see it for your self.

For the sake of accuracy, I just want to state that no where does Raytheon direct an emergency descent for a cracked windshield. And Turbine was right in that you won't find it in any emegency checklist. It is considered an Abnormality.

And for the sake of more accuracy, it was BB1638, a 1998 model.

 

[kingairyahoo]

For the sake of accuracy, I just want to state that no where does Raytheon direct an emergency descent for a cracked windshield. And Turbine was right in that you won't find it in any emegency checklist. It is considered an Abnormality.

And for the sake of more accuracy, it was BB1638, a 1998 model.

aw...ya beat me to it.

there is indeed a checklist, but it is not an Emergency one, it is in the Abnormal Procedures section as mentioned, and its in all models of King Air.

i for one, think everyone is giving these guys too much credit. NOWHERE in the book does it say to DEPRESSURIZE the cabin and come screaming down out of the sky. talk about links in the chain, hell they CREATED the dam chain.

and just for arguments sake...it does not in fact, mention anything about oxygen system or masks, so that argument is for naught...

 

[skiandsurf]

i for one, think everyone is giving these guys too much credit.

The only credit I give them, is for ruining a good airplane. It will be interesting to see what the FAA thinks.