ASA Getting 8 CRJ700, and Keeping 8 Additional

[Tomct]

ASA pilots deserve nothing. It's hilarious how it is NOT okay for ASA to have there flying "stolen" but it IS OKAY for them to "steal" some flying. Hypocrites...I wish Mesa owned you.

Poopie, crawl back into your hole. Just because you don't understand what is going on here in the 121 world....like was said earlier, we DID NOT undercut ANYONE for the flying! Shut your pie hole eh!

 

[CF34-3B1]

You and your 737 type rating are the only ones clicking heels, wishing you were flying for Walmart. Maybe next round of interviews they will take you, then again maybe not. LOL have fun with your type rating applying elsewhere.

type rated without a job?

Not sure where you got that one. I have a job I LUV, thanks.

Flying for WalMart? Nahh, never wanted to fly corporate, although if I happened to live in NW Arkansas, I guess I could think of worse things to do. (But personally I think I'd prefer flying Tyson's Global Express)

And I did have fun interviewing elsewhere with the 737 type. Was offered a job flying heavies, which I politely turned down when SWA called shortly thereafter.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Yo, now dat's sum funny shinizit.

Get a clue Nightbrain, he's been on property at SWA for over a year.

Sounds like you're the one who might be "waiting for the next round" A bit bitter are we?

Rollin my bruthah, what's up!?

How's life in the A-T-L?

 

[ASARJMan]

Let me guess since ASA got the comair flying its ok because ASA is Alpa?

If I were skywest pilots I would be pretty angry and Jerry because of this. Especially because they were promised more growth and ASA had done nothing but spit in Skywests Face.

Hey superpoop, you still have the balls to post on here after your LJ victory prediction? Oh where's the $10 bucks you owe me for her losing? You loser. Daddy got you on at CAL, now go play with yourself willya loser!

Owed $10 By SuperPooper for Losing A Bet! hahaha

 

[ASARJMan]

Additional 700s and progress on the contract! 2007 may be a good year for ASA! This is good to see.

Another LJ backer comes outa hiding! I knew you turds would lick your wounds and be back! So care to comment on your "victory" prediction for LJ's coalition loser?

Voted For The Right People To Lead The ASA Pilots!

 

[ASARJMan]

The CMR guys didn't care about how their concessions would affect our negotiations at ASA, so why should we care if we get some of their 70s? Sorry, but I am happy about the growth. I still remember the CMR sticker we got just before they stabbed us in the back.

Happy? Man you are a complete idiot. But then, it's all about YOU isn't it?

Did NOT Vote for The LJ Coalition!
But Irish stated she would win, and she didn't!

 

[sweptback]

Well, ASA did not bid to undercut Comair wages to get these aircraft. The pilot group had zero involvement in this transfer of aircraft.

Not only that, but I stood in the crew lounge and personally listened to Jerry Atkin state that ASA did not bid on any 70 or 76-seat aircraft on the DAL RFP.

I have said this on other threads, but again, these aircraft were transferred to fulfill contractual obligations of growth related to the ASA sale. This was stated in bankruptcy court. I believe that SkyWest, Inc. must receive 40% of all future DCI growth until a certain year. With the recent growth at Freedom and Shuttle America, SkyWest is way behind in the percentages.

I am not happy that the aircraft are coming here (just as the SkyWest pilots I'm sure were not happy they were receiving -EV registered aircraft), but there is nothing in any of the pilot groups' CBAs that prevents these aircraft from being transferred.

 

[bvt1151]

Comair's pay rates will be based in-part on ASA's current pay rates which are based on years of not being able to negotiate a thing. Comair will now go on strike twice while ASA has yet to even negotiate one.

Thanks for the help.

 

[sweptback]

Comair's pay rates will be based in-part on ASA's current pay rates which are based on years of not being able to negotiate a thing. Comair will now go on strike twice while ASA has yet to even negotiate one.

Thanks for the help.

ASA's 70-seat payrates were ratified as LOA 29 on 2/2002.

http://www.asacontract.com/pa/contract/loa29.html

 

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BVT - you are out of line. Comair has undercut ASA twice during negotiations. ASA has not gone out on strike because we have not been released by the National Mediation Board. We have authorized a strike and will strike when released if an agreement is not reached in the interim.

ASA's MEC has resolved not to engage in the practice of concessionary bidding for growth, has yours?

I do regret that ASA is getting your airplanes - but the quickest way to destroy what remains of our loyalty for our Comair brothers is to go on a blind attack against one of the very few pilot groups that has stood beside yours in your effort to make this job a career.

 

[WWEfan]

Comair's pay rates will be based in-part on ASA's current pay rates which are based on years of not being able to negotiate a thing. Comair will now go on strike twice while ASA has yet to even negotiate one.

Thanks for the help.

That hasnt been for lack of trying to negotiate one. When your company does not bargain in good faith and polotics can't get you a release from the NMB there isn't much we can do other than bend over. We did not and will not.

Myself and my ASA brothers and sisters have walked picket lines with the Comair pilots and have supported you in spite of the fact that you went behind our backs and negotiated concessions. How you can place blame on ASA for your plight is beyond me.

 

[starshipdrvr]

Nighttrain,

You have no clue, no I don't work for Southwest.

 

[bvt1151]

Here come the defensive attitudes.

Comair has not undercut ASA a single time. The pay freeze left Comair the second highest paid regional, with ASA nowhere in site. The huge pay cut that was never even ratified was still higher than ASA's current pay. Interestingly enough, every time management has approached us they have had ASA's pay in hand, and yet not a thing has been accomplished in ATL. I don't buy they "well we can't" crap, either. ASA is being manhandled by management and the pilots are content to sit back and say "well there's nothing we can do" because they're too afraid to stick their necks out and possibly lose some growth that has now come at the very expense of an inter-union pilot group.


This isn't all ASA's fault, but there's been absolutely no help. None. They're even encouraging the whip-saw by accepting aircraft from another ALPA carrier that Delta has openly admitted are being removed because pilot costs are too high. You just lowered your own value by accepting those aircraft because you've proven the whip-saw works. Comair's pay rates are now useless in your negotiations because you've proven that somebody will always do it for less. Without even realizing it, you've taken a pay cut for growth.

Yet, ironically ASA blames Comair for their problems. Not a single thing Comair has done has affected ASA, because ASA has not done a single thing to achieve results. Negotiate your contract. Make it higher than Comair. When that happens, you'll have earned the right to complain about the airline that has done the most for regional pay in the last 6 years.

Comair has issues, none of which have been helped by ASA's inability to negotiate, but none of which were caused by it, either. Chautauqua, Mesa, and worst, Skywest, are all beneficiaries of Comair's problems, just like ASA, and just like ASA, they complain when those benefits stop. Comair undercut nobody. Comair has been undercut by everybody, and has lost 30% of its jobs because of it. Now we're being forced to take pay cuts all based on everybody elses negotiated contracts.

I was recently asked if Comair pilots won the strike. I said no. Comair pilots lost, Comair lost, Delta lost. It was the Skywest, ASA, and Chautauqua pilots who won the Comair strike, and now they've got the nerve to blame the Comair pilots for not sacrificing more.

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[Blucher]

Bvt,

I'm afraid most of us at ASA just can't buy into your version of reality, primarily because you leave out a few key points. First, I clearly remember getting a bag sticker from JC and co. that said "Comair pilots support ASA pilots in their right to a fair contract" (or something to that effect). It was less than 2 weeks after I got this sticker and a nice letter about how committed Comair pilots were to ASA bringing our contract up to and perhaps beyond your contract that I read in the paper that the Comair MEC had negotiated pay cuts with management. I must admit, that stung a bit. I also seem to remember a second concession that JC once again negotiated for the pilots, although this time he was smart enough to tie it to all other labor groups also taking a concession. In truth, you guys have been making more than ASA pilots all along. However, the reason for that is because the Comair flight attendants had/have more of a spine than JC and co. ever did. If you think you're frustrated about ASA's lack of progress in negotiating a new and industry leading contract, go talk to an ASA pilot. I'd say all of us (perhaps with the exception of LJ & JB) agree with that newspaper article in which Boyd said the only way to fix ASA's problems is to hose out the entire executive offices. Something we were all hoping would happen as soon as Jerry and his Skywest people saw what a circus ATL is under our management. Sadly, we're still waiting for that (although in truth, there was a nice round of lay-offs at our GO immediately following Skywest's first visit, it just didn't go deep enough).
What would have been really nice is if 'back in the day' we had merged the Comair and ASA lists and become one company, wholely owned by Delta and then worked on securing ALL regional flying for the Delta brand.
I wish you guys at Comair the best of luck, but think you are just fooling yourself if you try to blame your problems on 'the rest of the industry.' In my personal opinion, your pilot group's biggest problem goes by J.C.L. And if you don't believe me, just go ask any DAL pilot.

-Blucher

 

[bvt1151]

Did your feelings get hurt Blucher? We took not one single aircraft from ASA, nor one single aircraft that ASA could have gotten anyways. We kept our pay at the second highest (behind Horizon) and way above what you guys were even offering. The pay freeze has been nothing but an excuse to ASA pilots for not negotiating. It hasn't affected you in the very least. How could it, you're not even negotiating.

The fact of the matter is, nothing any other airline has done has affected your contract at all, because you haven't negotiated one. You're content sitting back and saying everything thats happening around you is making it more difficult, but that's bogus. Yet you've been a downward pressure on Comair's pay scales for 5 years (even the judge mentions ASA's lower pay scales as rationalization for a Comair pay cut), and you then reinforce the whipsaw by accepting Comair's aircraft. Aircraft that were removed because management could find cheaper pilots to fly them. You are the cheaper pilots. That helps you, and hurts us greatly. So now we've lost pay, pilots, and planes to our "brothers" at ASA.

Sorry you got your feelings hurt.