Eagle: The real deal

[BcPilot99]

Eagle is currently offering $500 to any current employee who recommends someone who makes it through training. That is why you've got so many Eagle pilots trying to walk people's resumes in. They're trying to make some money, as noted above.

Is there anything wrong with that? jw

 

[JetJockey75]

Eagle's hiring target next year is forcast at approximately 700-800 pilots. That works out to an average of 70 a month including the low training months, (ie, December). The average number of new hires per month has been 15-20 this year. AMR is offering a $500 payout to any employee that refers a pilot to Eagle that completes all training through IOE. A signifigant factor limiting upgrades at Eagle for the time being is our inability to attract new hire FOs to replace the upgrading FOs. It's a vicious cycle, new hires want upgrade opportunities but that won't happen until we can increase class sizes. Hope this information helps with your decision.

Best of luck!

 

[lookin4better]

Eagle is a good place to work, there are bad attitudes erverywhere in this industry, just ignore them and move forward.

Upgrade time will be moving down ....for many reasons, same as anywhere; once people upgrade they will leave after hired elsewhere, retirements, flowbacks leaving.....its a good place to be if you get on soon......and no, I dont want your 500 $ .....give it a try , a quick upgrade will rarely get you anywhere reguardless.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Okay, thanks for all the rapid replies. What is life like on the ATR? What are typical schedules in MIA and SJU?

 

[flyinhigh6165]

Is DFW easy to get in the jet right out of training?

 

[DGdaPilot]

Eagle is currently offering $500 to any current employee who recommends someone who makes it through training. That is why you've got so many Eagle pilots trying to walk people's resumes in. They're trying to make some money, as noted above.

Absolutely. And I recommended 5 friends to Eagle BEFORE they offered any sort of bonus. So I already know in my mind that I'm not skewed by the money. If I didn't think this was a good place to be, I would never have recommended my friends to come here in the first place, let alone some Flightinfo people looking for some help. I can only speak for myself, though.

 

[AV1ATRX]

It's only wrong if you're recommending people you don't know. Otherwise, go for it. I personally had a hard time convincing my friends to work there, but I left before the bonuses started. Maybe I just wasn't motivated enough.

Eagle is a good company and the upgrades will get shorter. While I would have had a long upgrade, people getting hired now will not have to wait nearly as long.

 

[tk855]

I used to fly for Eagle, left a year ago for NJA. I have a question for all of you people who think that upgrade time will all of a sudden become rapid overnight. How do you think you will sustain upgrades without taking delivery of any new equipment? Eagle has not taken delivery of a new airplane since June 2005 when 942AE hit the property. All of the attrition you speak of is first officers with four or less years of service moving on to bigger and better jobs. You will see some upgrades for a while as the flowbacks return to AA and the senior FO's take their place. Once all of those vacancies are filled upgrades will come to a grinding halt unless new airframes begin arriving. As far as the Eagle Captains with an AA seniority number, I wouldn't count on them flowing to AA anytime soon if ever! These guys have no desire to move over to AA, nor will they. This will be a long drawn out fight!

I enjoyed working for Eagle and I am not trying to degrade the company, just post some facts for people considering a job there. Eagle is quite stabile and you probably won't go through all the whipsawing bs that most other regionals offer. Best of luck to all who pursuing employment, I hope it works out for you.

 

[Weasil]

One big reason people I've spoken to (and me also) did not go to eagle is because of the lack of information they give you about bases/aircraft etc.. until after you start there. I for one was not going to go there gambling on ending up in puerto rico. I've flown with many people over the years who've said the same thing. I recently was in the sim with a guy who said they told him there would be lots of jet positions for his class and that chicago was jr. Well there were no jet positions in his class and everybody got the saab in texas. So he quit. They should be able to tell you what job you are accepting (at least what aircraft).

 

[flyboyzz1]

How hard is it to get a job with AA when you work for AE? Is it a flow through? Or do they not give you any special treatment?

 

[Andrew_VT]

I dont really feel like paying $5 right now for eagle lounge. Quick question though, what are my chances at getting PR as a base? If I dont get PR, or can be reasonably assured I could bid into it within 6 months, I'll look for another company (seaborne)

Andrew

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

The Rock? No problem getting (exiled) there.

 

[Lazy8]

Okay well, it's evident captain upgrade will still be slow, but how about transitions to the ERJ/CRJ? I don't see how I could afford to live on the turboprop FO pay for 5-7 years. How quick can you transition to the jets? Is the airlinepilotcentral.com AE payscale up-to-date?

g

 

[shroomwell]

Eagle will shrink in the future. The 44 and 37 seaters are doomed. Once they are parked and the flowbacks leave, there will still be no movement. Only hope is getting a new larger aircraft on property. My belief is that this isn't going to happen at least not in this decade. Wouldn't be surprised either to see AMR try to outsource more flying to less junior (i.e. cheaper) companies. Should be fun ot watch. Lots of changes coming in the industry.

 

[labbats]

How hard is it to get a job with AA when you work for AE? Is it a flow through? Or do they not give you any special treatment?

No preferential treatment, but you do get ignored for free when walking by them in the terminal. It's not that they don't notice you, it's that they try so hard to act like they don't.

Letter 3 (the flowthrough/flowback debacle) dies this spring, and so too does the flowthrough to AA.

 

[labbats]

Eagle will shrink in the future. The 44 and 37 seaters are doomed. Once they are parked and the flowbacks leave, there will still be no movement. Only hope is getting a new larger aircraft on property. My belief is that this isn't going to happen at least not in this decade. Wouldn't be surprised either to see AMR try to outsource more flying to less junior (i.e. cheaper) companies. Should be fun ot watch. Lots of changes coming in the industry.

Anything is possible, but this is unlikely. Don't you people get tired of spreading doom theories? Pick any regional out there and someone will tell you it's just a matter of time before they fold, but out of all of the regionals I'd wager that Eagle isn't going anywhere.

 

[Dutch]

Okay well, it's evident captain upgrade will still be slow, but how about transitions to the ERJ/CRJ? I don't see how I could afford to live on the turboprop FO pay for 5-7 years. How quick can you transition to the jets? Is the airlinepilotcentral.com AE payscale up-to-date?

g

The seat lock is one year. I've heard of guys going to training earlier but no guarantee.

Here's the most recent pay scale for FO's from the company website.

Years of Service / Turboprop / Turbojet​

1. $23.51 $23.51​
2. $25.27 $31.77​
3. $28.15 $34.49​
4. $31.05 $36.20​
5. $32.49 $37.12​
6. $33.93 $37.74​
7. $34.37 $38.22​
8. $34.92 $38.87​

 

[shroomwell]

Labbat's,

I never said Eagle is going away. I don't believe that. However I do believe upgrades are going to be around 10 years on the jet for the foreseeable future.

Remember, keep your expectation low, then anything better is a pleasent surprise.

 

[labbats]

10 years? Man I hope not.

Growth will be slow, I agree, but the hiring freeze from 9/11/2001 until almost 3 years later will speed up the upgrades after that last captain from pre-9/11 gets upgraded. That will drop the captain time-to-upgrade down three years from that point.

I got hired in fall 2004 and if I had to guess at when I'll upgrade, I'd say I could hold a Saab captain sometime in 2008. It is stagnant at the top half of the seniority list, but I firmly believe that after all the recalls are filled at the majors, and hiring begins at that level that people can and will finally leave. The flowbacks will probably be out of here by early 2008 or so and that's another 350+ captain seats.

Anyone getting hired won't have to sit around on reserve for the two years I did, and upgrades will come down to probably 3-4 years for a turboprop. While that isn't as quick as a lot of other regionals, there is much more stability and your quality of life due to swaps/drops/trip trades/100% line guarantee etc. is much better here.

Lastly, the EMB135 is a relic from a past agreement and probably hurts the bottom line, but getting rid of them entirely without a replacement is not likely to happen. While we do get e-mails from time to time about keeping our costs low to be competetive, I don't get the feeling that we're just one slip-up from losing our flying to Chautauqua or Trans States. If anything, I've heard that they are the ones on the fence rather than Eagle.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Eagle is turning the corner, and this will be a sweet place to be in a few years... it's all a big cycle and its on the way back up from the very bottom... With AA recalling and attrition being pretty high, they will have to hire alot of guys, which means guys under you so you are not on reserve for very long, not even on the jet. Don't forget Eagle didn't hire between 9/11 and 2004, so once those 9/11 guys upgrade, it will cut the upgrade time by 3 years. That's just on the upgrade time. Overall, I think eagle is a good company. Alot of naysayers here will tell you otherwise, but just like anything else in life, it is what you make of it. Get your stuff in now and reap the benefits later. I love the kool aid!!

What are you talking about i was hired there in 04 and quit 6 months later.