Skywest talking pilot pay raise

[PBRstreetgang]

We gave them the bucket reserve system in exchange for being able to say no to junior manning and we got a 2 hour call out in some domiciles. PBS is actually something the pilot group, through SAPA, asked for. It's resulted in an increase in quality of life for a lot of people. The top 1/3 of the people on reserve got lines for example. A lot of the issues I hear about PBS are really issues with the quality of the pairings. SAPA has several reps in SGU every month looking at the pairings and trying to improve them and they usually say they are as good as they can be based on the flight schedules handed down from UAL and DAL.

Is it possible, in your view, for someone to not want ALPA at Skywest and also not be a cool-aid drinker?

Scott

Well,
NO, SAPA is a company funded tool for implimentation of policy changes, without having to "deal" directly with the pilot group. For the record those "new lineholders were flying(reserve) lines anyway, so not much difference anyway.
The new PBS created a new concept, 24/7/365 reserve for everyone, senority #1 on down. I wanna fly 4 day trips, I get those and whatever else the company has left over on my schedule. The pairings are the only the tip of the iceberg, check the monthly line requirements for staffing. I am one of the people who likes to fly the minimum 75-80 hrs. Guess what last month was 96+. 2hr callout where? ORD,DEN,LAX it is impossible to get to these airports in less than time than that if you are anywhere other than the parking lot. JR manning wasn't working so the company had to try something else, the implimentation of PBS was on the books no matter what SAPA or anyone else wanted. For the record I bid in the top 25% of the company and in the top 3rd in my domicile. Guess what I get my first choice and the companys first choice whatever else they need covered. My yearly block will be almost at 1000hrs by the 3rd week of Dec. The company is making record(amount) profits and still cannot take enough from the pilot group to increase the profits. you have seen the list of failed promises BH and the rest of the managment team has to their credit. I just do not wanna loose more than we already have. I want every pilot on the list to get a fair wage and opportunity, not just the guys lucky enough to be hired soon enough to upgrade and make more. For JA and BH to negate a collectively bargained contract would require a slide into a zone that they are loathe to go (Bankruptcy), even then if the company was in such dire straits I would gladly/willingly negotiate givebacks. We haven't recieved anything in return for all the QOL decreases issued to us. In short, if you cannot or are not willing to evaluate the issues then maybe you are a kool-aid drinker. You tell me why ALPA should be kept off the property.
Here ya go....
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Now if only your reps understood that.

My "reps" are bought and paid for by Skywest Inc. ASA reps need to understand this.
PBR

 

[Bako Cap]

Another SAPA rep is now an asst. Chief Pilot in FAT.

 

[SkyNation]

PBR,

you sound very unhappy at SkyWest. I'm assuming you're a CA? have you investigated moving on to SWA, JB, or anywhere else?

 

[Bluto]

Yeah PBR, why try and fix things for the people who are at SkyWest for the long haul? Can't you be a little more short-sighted? Can't you be more self-interested and less concerned about the problems at SkyWest that don't affect you personally? You could learn a great deal from SkyNation (about being a tool.)

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR,

you sound very unhappy at SkyWest. I'm assuming you're a CA? have you investigated moving on to SWA, JB, or anywhere else?

Well,
Is it itchy or scratchy? I am a firm believer in leaving every thing I touch a little better that when I got it, from the airplanes I fly, to the job I have and may or may not leave.. I am assuming you are an f/o just foaming at the mouth to upgrade and make a living. I was on my way out on 9/11, and have seen all of this unfold, if you watched it from inside as well, then good for you and your ability to ignore the obvious. I believe that what is good for the guy at the bottom, is good for the guy at the top too! BTW I am not unhappy at SKYW, I just refuse to accept the status quo!
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR,

you sound very unhappy at SkyWest. I'm assuming you're a CA? have you investigated moving on to SWA, JB, or anywhere else?

I find it humorus that you assume I am a CA, does that imply that those who have been around awhile might be pissed because of the changes imposed? Might that also imply that you might be kinda new to the game? One never knows when the music might stop, it is just another terrorist event from slowing the industry. "Those who refuse to study history, are doomed to repeat it" Read Flying the Line sometime, it is really kinda entertaining. Pilots keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. ALPA nor anyone else will be able to prevent the same mistakes from happening over and over, you have to want to change it. All of the stuff going on now, is now being repeated on a new generation. Actually Flying the Line is the blueprint for current CEOs wanting to lower their costs, and pilots just keep falling for the same sucker pitch.
enjoy
PBR

 

[embdrvr]

We gave them the bucket reserve system in exchange for being able to say no to junior manning and we got a 2 hour call out in some domiciles. PBS is actually something the pilot group, through SAPA, asked for.

Want some ice with that Kool-Aid?
You got voluntary JM because people used caller ID and ignored the phone.
You got a 2 hour callout because hardly anyone could make to the crew lounge in 90 minutes unless they already happened to be in the ORD or DEN parking lot. It was your CP's getting tired of having to talk to people about late shows that resulted in the policy change. Thank your CP's, not SAPA.

The pilot group asked for PBS??? WTF have you been smoking?
Did you get a chance to vote on it or were you simply informed that it was coming down the pike?
If the entire pilot group could vote on keeping PBS or getting rid of it how would that vote turn out?
Those senior reserve guys might have composite lines but you also have some guys getting composite lines with reserve days tacked on that hadn't had to sit a day of reserve in years.
How do you feel about working more for less? Like the 365 day transition period? Far less vacation time sit just fine with you?

Any other concessions you're hoping for?

Best of luck in your quest to be a chief pilot. You seem well qualifed.

 

[embdrvr]

The Skywest contract has been used as leverage during negotiations for other regional airlines over the years. It works both ways.

We've been fighting for a better contract too.

Scott

SKYW does not currently have a contract. A contract is legally binding agreement with provisions of enforcement other than whining about penstroke policy changes to your CPM.

No carrier has used SKYW terms of employment as a negotiating tool in the past 5 or 6 years. Well maybe Great Lakes has.

You've been fighting for a contract Scotty? Really? So you finally decided to put down the glass o' kool-aid and filled out a card requesting a union election.

Glad to hear you've come around. I was starting to lose hope. A legally recognized and binding contract is a worthwhile goal. Glad to hear you've decided to support a union on the property.

 

[thebest]

SKYW does not currently have a contract. A contract is legally binding agreement with provisions of enforcement other than whining about penstroke policy changes to your CPM.

No carrier has used SKYW terms of employment as a negotiating tool in the past 5 or 6 years. Well maybe Great Lakes has.

You've been fighting for a contract Scotty? Really? So you finally decided to put down the glass o' kool-aid and filled out a card requesting a union election.

Glad to hear you've come around. I was starting to lose hope. A legally recognized and binding contract is a worthwhile goal. Glad to hear you've decided to support a union on the property.

Legally recognized and binding contract? Ya sure, tell that to the thosands that lost their pension's! Oh ya, what about the legaly recognized and binding contract regarding PAY! oops! GO alpa?

TTHEBEST

 

[embdrvr]

Legally recognized and binding contract? Ya sure, tell that to the thosands that lost their pension's! Oh ya, what about the legaly recognized and binding contract regarding PAY! oops! GO alpa?

TTHEBEST

In the unlikely event SKYW ran into financial trouble, unlikely due to better than average managment, how long do you think your pay rates and work rules would last? Your pay could be cut in half overnight. You could be furloughed out of seniority. That's right. Instead of starting from the very bottom if management needed to shed 400 pilots they could just take the bottom 200 captains and bottom 200 FO's. Or they could furlough by airframe. What if the EMB flying just disappeared? Why bother going to the expense of furloughing by seniority when you can do it by airframe. Suppose some of the RJ flying disappears. Overstaffed by 300? No problem. Just lay off the bottom 150 RJ captains and bottom 150 RJ FO's. So what if the most junior FO's are in the EMB.

SKYW pilots have been extremely fortunate that management has found ways to keep the company flying through good times and bad. But you don't have SAPA to thank for that. It's been a combination of luck and good managment.

What you need to be thinking about is what happens if the luck runs out. With a contract you get a seat at the table and at least get to negotiate your concessions. You have specific recourse. Even during a bankruptcy the company has to prove to the judge the need to impose whatever changes they're pushing for.

In the unlikely event something bad happens I will personally laugh at you when you start whining. Maybe I'll even dig up your posts and remind you how you hated the entire of pursuing a legally binding contract.

 

[SkyNation]

I think it's funny how pissy people get when I ask a direct, honest question. I was simply trying to determine the dudes position, and if he's a malcontent because of what has happened at SkyWest (in his opinion) or if he'd be that way anywhere. When all you hear is negative, negative, negative, you paint a pretty clear picture. and Bluto, it's so altruistic of ya'll to do so much on behalf of others. I guess I just need to listen closer when I hear people bitch and moan about this place-they really are just trying to make it better! Who knew?!

 

[SSDD]

This just in from SAPA: Pay discussions suspended due to ALPA drive...

Nawwwww...Didn't see that one coming! Where did that come from?

 

[CFIT]

No carrier has used SKYW terms of employment as a negotiating tool in the past 5 or 6 years. Well maybe Great Lakes has.

You've been fighting for a contract Scotty? Really? So you finally decided to put down the glass o' kool-aid and filled out a card requesting a union election.

Glad to hear you've come around. I was starting to lose hope. A legally recognized and binding contract is a worthwhile goal. Glad to hear you've decided to support a union on the property.

Isn't ASA trying right now to get what SkyWest has now?

I hope you are not on the oganizing commitee, because in the next 5-6 years it takes to get a contract the present CPM is in effect, and if you screw anything up- bye bye......

 

[MarineGrunt]

This just in from SAPA: Pay discussions suspended due to ALPA drive...

Nawwwww...Didn't see that one coming! Where did that come from?

Wonderful. Anyone know how long the drive will last? Let's just vote and get it over with already!!!

 

[thebest]

[quote=embdrvr; " In the unlikely event SKYW ran into financial trouble, unlikely due to better than average managment, how long do you think your pay rates and work rules would last? Your pay could be cut in half overnight. You could be furloughed out of seniority. That's right. Instead of starting from the very bottom if management needed to shed 400 pilots they could just take the bottom 200 captains and bottom 200 FO's. Or they could furlough by airframe. What if the EMB flying just disappeared? Why bother going to the expense of furloughing by seniority when you can do it by airframe. Suppose some of the RJ flying disappears. Overstaffed by 300? No problem. Just lay off the bottom 150 RJ captains and bottom 150 RJ FO's. So what if the most junior FO's are in the EMB."



What is that, a dang story you made up in your head? Welcome to reality! Nothing you said has EVER HAPPENED AT SKYWEST! Stop you alpa armchair flying! Funny though, parts of you're story did happen Remember Delta, United, etc..... yup they're alpa! THEBEST

 

[asayankee]

Has your house ever caught on fire????? No.....but you buy insurance in case it does don't you???

 

[ArcticFlier]

Apparently SAPA and SGU are talking again. The rules about when you can no longer discuss pay (read interfere) is muddier than Brad led us to believe?


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