GIV vs. Falcon 900B

[con-pilot]

Although I doubt if it would ever be a factor, you at least have the option of a 2-engine ferry on the Falcon.

Too true on that my friend.

 

[G4G5]

Number of guys who have had to use that chart vs the number of guys who have ever lost an engine on a G4?

The thought that the 731 is anywhere near as reliable as a R/R Tay is probably, no it is the funniest thing I have ever seen on this board (1,386 post+)

I am back to resting my case.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I dont know anyone who has had an engine failure on a Falcon.

I dont know anyone who has had an engine failure on a Gulfstream.

I dont know anyone who has had an engine failure on a Global Express.

I do agree 731's on Falcons are stupid. Incredibly underpowered and overworked...need much attention. Wont miss them. The 900EX is a slug under heavy hot or high conditions.

but - some like the lower operating costs of Falcons, especially if you fly 4000hrs a year..thats why we have ours I suppose..

Some like the Gulfstream reputation of performance and reliability.

whatever...

Id fly either. I would choose the JOB that was better - regardless of equipment. They all fly fine from one hotel to another.

Mid-Older aged Gulfstream guys are weird. I have see them leave good jobs flying Falcons, Hawkers, etc...to take $hit jobs flying a Gulfstream..they think Savannah is Mecca. Its the only airplane that is capable of taking to the sky, its the only FSI facility that "does it right", etc...really odd group.

They are easy to spot as the are always decked out in cheesy Gulfstream vendor gear - always. Nice look.

I - just - dont - get - it.

 

[G4G5]

You mean, Savannah isn't Mecca?
It's all in good fun.

I have flown a couple of different Falcon types and liked each one of them. I think they design a superior airframe and wing but their arrogance is what got the best of them. When we got our first 900 back in '89, I took a test flight with an engineer, a demo pilot and our chief pilot. I recall seeing 900+c for the engine temps (I remember our 50's being temp limited) so I asked the French engineer why they didn't add more power to the airframe. "Because we calculated the optimum amount of power required and this is all we need".

Then came the 900B, then came the 900c, then came the EX. The Tay has remained the same from G4 #1 to G4 #470+ (I know the 450 is FADEC). When departing places like ASE, I find a lot of comfort in knowing that (basicly) the same TAY is taking off all over the globle day in and day out with 75+ pax on either an F100 or a 717. That gives me the warm and fuzzy that having 4 or more 731's would never provide.

Either aircraft is a fine choice but if I am the one recommending an airframe to the boss, I will always pick the most reliable airframe. Nothing is worse then having to tell the principal he can't go because his aircraft is broken. Spare parts and product support can never be under rated. Just ask the former Dir of Ops at GE.

On that same 900 I cracked a windshield on the way into San Juan. 4 days later, I got out (part had to come out of France and clear customs). Last year I cracked a windshield on my G5, 4 hours later I had one on the way.

I never got into the whole apparel thing, I decided to get a "Gulfstream" tattoo instead.

All kidding aside, I never under stood the Gulfstream (or GEX) leather jacket crowd but what do I know. The whole college apparel thing doesn't make any sense to me either. Drop North of $100k at ERAU (or wherever) then drop more coin on the T-shirt and sweat shirt (I would rather put the money into paying off the loan.

 

[con-pilot]

I never got into the whole apparel thing, I decided to get a "Gulfstream" tattoo instead.

I love it, too funny. I do wear Boeing and Falcon stuff, mainly because it was free. (I know, bloody tightwad.)

Now, when I win the really, really, really big lottery I'm afraid I really don't know what I would end up with.


(Oh I do to, a re-engined 727-100. It least I can stand up it, I'm 6'5".)

 

[AA717driver]

Gulfstream T-shirts hold up better than Falcon T-shirts.




SHOW ME THE MONEYYYYYY!!!!!TC


P.S.--Better bars in SAV than in TEB.

 

[TXDA2000]

Maybe true on the bars, but the experience of grab-a-grannie night at Bobbisox in LIT is an experience not easily forgetten, especially if you are under 40 and not accustomed to being sexually assualted by 55 year old women.

 

[AA717driver]

Maybe true on the bars, but the experience of grab-a-grannie night at Bobbisox in LIT is an experience not easily forgetten, especially if you are under 40 and not accustomed to being sexually assualted by 55 year old women.

TC

 

[G4G5]

Maybe true on the bars, but the experience of grab-a-grannie night at Bobbisox in LIT is an experience not easily forgetten, especially if you are under 40 and not accustomed to being sexually assualted by 55 year old women.

Does that me I should call you Dad? I told mom to stay away from that place.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Maybe true on the bars, but the experience of grab-a-grannie night at Bobbisox in LIT is an experience not easily forgetten, especially if you are under 40 and not accustomed to being sexually assualted by 55 year old women.

granny or hot college chiks....dont matter...

Gulfstream guys are too busy admiring each others new vendor polo garments and talking about thier "S/N so and so" to notice chiks at a bar!

:cartman:

 

[HMR]

Is AARP membership required to attend GV school or does it just seem that way everytime I'm at FSI ILG?

 

[AA717driver]

Is AARP membership required to attend GV school or does it just seem that way everytime I'm at FSI ILG?

No, but having a rod up your ass seems to be de rigeur... TC

 

[G100driver]

P.S.--Better bars in SAV than in TEB.

Better BBQ in Little Rock!!!!

Too bad the women are ugly in Little Rock!

 

[G100driver]

Is AARP membership required to attend GV school or does it just seem that way everytime I'm at FSI ILG?

I have great news for you .... NO MORE ILG ... GAWD did I hate that place!

Any flight school that has instructors by the name of Dick Washer and Dick Shaffer (say it fast) is a place that I prefer to avoid.

Every time I would see Dick Washer on the 1st day of recurrent he would come up to me a say: "Hi, my name is Dick Washer," and stare at me to see if I would start to crack up. It was might difficult (notice how I did not say hard) to keep a straight face.

He was an excellent instructor, however. I will give the man his due.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I have great news for you .... NO MORE ILG ... GAWD did I hate that place!

Any flight school that has instructors by the name of Dick Washer and Dick Shaffer (say it fast) is a place that I prefer to avoid.

Every time I would see Dick Washer on the 1st day of recurrent he would come up to me a say: "Hi, my name is Dick Washer," and stare at me to see if I would start to crack up. It was might difficult (notice how I did not say hard) to keep a straight face.

He was an excellent instructor, however. I will give the man his due.

I have had dick for a few classes, nice guy and good instructor!

but that name!!! what in the world were his folks thinking!

In general I think the instruction at ILG is pretty good.